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Old 09-11-2022, 09:04 PM   #1
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New to Rving and this site.. I own a 2015 F150 Supercrew Lariat, 3.5 Ecoboost, I'm buying a 2003 24' Haulmark Innovator Toy Hauler, (good luck finding specs) the rigs condition is a strong 7.5+ out of 10..

The GVWR of the trailer is 9990 and dose come with a weight distribution hitch.. Now the 3.5 Ecoboost has a max tow capacity of 12200 and I'm putting in a set of Timbren bump stops to help with sag.. My question is will my truck be ok towing the trailer? Although it's primary purpose will be to stay in as I build cottage in Northern NH, I would like to escape South for a few weeks this winter with my motorcycle...

Thanks for reading any input would be greatly appreciated...

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Old 09-12-2022, 02:34 AM   #2
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Read the small print. The F-150 that can tow 12,200lbs is a special F-150 with the HDPP package and the max tow package.
These F-150's are rare and usually need to be ordered. They have an extra long 163" wheelbase. Thicker frame, 36 gallon fuel tank, tow mirrors, a rear axle with a 4,800lb capacity.

Anyway that is the F-150 that can tow the most.

Ford uses multiple rear axels, most (98%) F-150 do not have the 4,800lb capacity rear axel.

If you have a 36 gallon fuel tank on your F-150 that means your tow capacity is around 8,500lbs. It is less if you do not have the big gas tank.

Look at drivers side door jam to see what your occupants and cargo capacity is. You will also find your axle capacity on that lable. What does that lable say?
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Old 09-12-2022, 07:15 AM   #3
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It's been my observation that it's usually the payload capacity that's the limiting factor and not towing capacity.
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Unless you're filling it to the gills, you'll probably be fine. Just weigh it loaded for travel and see where you're at. We had similar F150s and towed trailers and boats with them for years. Expect your mileage to drop quite a bit. If anything, I would recommend you try towing without adding the suspension support. We did that to one of our F150s and were really unhappy with the ride quality afterward. We didn't really need it and it sucked to have it, especially when not towing.
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Old 09-12-2022, 07:44 AM   #5
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It sounds like you haven’t purchased the trailer yet. On a trailer that old, I’d inspect it very carefully for signs of water damage. Check the roof seams, the sides of the trailer for any signs of delamination, and beneath the windows inside for water stains. Also look for any soft spots on the floor.
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Old 09-12-2022, 08:02 AM   #6
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As mentioned, that 12,200 tow capacity very likely does not apply to your[/I] F150. In addition, tow capacities are generally calculated by the manufacturer pulling a low profile load, with the weight positioned right over the trailer axles.....not your typical RV.

In order to avoid going over your truck's GVWR, you will need to know how much cargo carrying capacity (payload) your truck has. Best option to get this is to weigh the truck and subtract the weight from the truck's GVWR. The GVWR is listed on a sticker on the driver's side door jamb. Absent weighing, you can see how much payload your truck had when it rolled off the assembly line by looking at the other (yellow/black Tire & Loading Info) sticker, also on the door jamb.

Payload is unique to every truck and is simply GVWR minus curb weight. Obviously this means each truck has a different amount, based on option level, cab configuration etc.

Your truck's payload figure must support the trailer tongue weight, the hitch, all occupants (including the driver) and any other gear in the vehicle. If over, you are exceeding your truck's GVWR.

Figure 13% of trailer GVWR will be tongue weight. At 9900 lbs, that means 1287 lbs of tongue weight, add another 100 lbs for the hitch, a few hundred pounds for passengers and another 100 for gear and you can see how quick that payload disappears.
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Cargo and occupant capacity on the driver's door jam is important. Agree with get the truck weighed at the nearest truck stop CAT scale. It will cost $12 or so.

Everything that you put into the truck needs to be weighed and subtracted from the Payload Occupants number. Like if you carry a tool box or a few tools that weight gets subtracted from the cargo capacity. When you get into the truck that also gets subtracted for the Cargo capacity. To give an example say your cargo capacity is 1,600 lbs. If you weight 200 pounds the remaining cargo capacity is 1,600 minus 200 or 1,400 lbs left.

Agree it is best to get the truck weighed with all occupants, tools, and other junk that you carry when ready to go camping.
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What they said. Short answer; that's alot of trailer for your truck and you'll likely be overloaded. Only a scale will tell you everything. Real world max tow weights for the average F150 is around 6,000 to 7,000 lbs. ....beyond that and you are into 3/4 ton territory.

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Old 09-12-2022, 12:26 PM   #9
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The 3.5 EC engine won't have any problems pulling a 9999 gvwr trailer....but depending on your trucks gvwr/rawr package (especially rawr as its carrying all the weight) were only guessing if its a good match.
I'm guessing if your truck has a 4050 rawr and higher it won't have any problems with that size trailer.
If your truck has the smaller 3800 rawr then tires/wheels/rear spring pack needs to be upgraded.

The F150 has around 5 different rawr numbers that will carry all the load in the bed plus a trailers hitch weight.

AS mentioned drop by the local CAT scale and get your trucks separate front and rear axle weights. Simply subtract the rear axle scale number from your trucks rawr door tag number will give you its in the bed payload.

You have to be careful with F150 higher 7xxx gvwr and higher payload sticker numbers. Using that gvwr based payload number in the bed of the truck may cause a rear axle/tire/wheel/rear spring pack overload.

Get those weights and go from there.
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New to Rving and this site.. I own a 2015 F150 Supercrew Lariat, 3.5 Ecoboost, I'm buying a 2003 24' Haulmark Innovator Toy Hauler, (good luck finding specs) the rigs condition is a strong 7.5+ out of 10..

The GVWR of the trailer is 9990 and dose come with a weight distribution hitch.. Now the 3.5 Ecoboost has a max tow capacity of 12200 and I'm putting in a set of Timbren bump stops to help with sag.. My question is will my truck be ok towing the trailer? Although it's primary purpose will be to stay in as I build cottage in Northern NH, I would like to escape South for a few weeks this winter with my motorcycle...

Thanks for reading any input would be greatly appreciated...

Woody in NH
9990 lbs is too much for an F-150 to be towing safely, especially if you want to make a 1000+ mile trip that will involve traveling at Interstate speeds. But your trailer looks like a cargo trailer and I suspect that when empty it may weigh quite a bit less. It should have a placard on it someplace that gives you the GVWR and the cargo carrying capacity (payload). The base weight of the trailer will be the GVWR minus the payload. Then, add to the base weight about 500 to 1000 lbs of stuff that you want to bring with you for living purposes. Then add the motorcycle (hope it's not a Hog) and see what you get. If you can get the total trailer weight down to 7500 lbs you'll be OK.
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Any trailer over 5000 LBS needs to be pulled with a Peterbilt, anything smaller and you are going to crash into a church bus full of nuns in a fiery inferno.

Oh heck now I sound like the towing "experts" online
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Seriously, I think you will need a bigger horse to pull that trailer or a smaller trailer. I would keep the trailer weight GVWR down to 8500# at the most.

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My very 1st trailer had a whopping 3,080 CCC limit. It was not a toy hauler. I was able to pack about 800 lbs of stuff in it.

This trailer was a Gulfstream Streamlite 22SLB if anyone wants to look it up.

Dry weight was around 4,400lbs plus my 800lbds made the trailer weight about 5,200lbs. Easily towable with my F-150 5.0 liter. So you can load it lite with paper plates, plastic ware etc. Or load it heavy with 2,000lb quadrunner and real playes/silverware.

If you load it to the GVWR you will be pushing your trucks limits. Loaded light you can be 2,000 lbs under the GVWR which your truck can handle easier. ]
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New to Rving and this site.. I own a 2015 F150 Supercrew Lariat, 3.5 Ecoboost, I'm buying a 2003 24' Haulmark Innovator Toy Hauler, (good luck finding specs) the rigs condition is a strong 7.5+ out of 10..

The GVWR of the trailer is 9990 and dose come with a weight distribution hitch.. Now the 3.5 Ecoboost has a max tow capacity of 12200 and I'm putting in a set of Timbren bump stops to help with sag.. My question is will my truck be ok towing the trailer? Although it's primary purpose will be to stay in as I build cottage in Northern NH, I would like to escape South for a few weeks this winter with my motorcycle...

Thanks for reading any input would be greatly appreciated...

Woody in NH
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