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Old 10-15-2021, 10:56 PM   #15
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updated the table with the JHinman, Bulletstoppe, Camper70's trucks.

The first 6 trucks are short bed. The last 2 are long bed. Yellow highlighting is gas engines.
Trucks are ordered in descending order from limited to XLT.

No surprise, it appears that the upper trim series trucks carry a lot more weight in options, reducing the payload capacity.

This answers my question. Now I know enough predict the payload if I decide to upgrade from my 7.3L to a 6.7L.
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Old 10-16-2021, 06:39 AM   #16
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Wow, that is a good spread sheet. I have not played with the build process, but I wonder if you can get the 7.3 with the GVWR of 12,400 lbs.

I test drove both the 7.3 and 6.7. My take away was the 7.3 (because it was a test drive) drove a lot like my 2017 6.2. I did not stomp it.

The 6.7 I noticed the power immediately. I had a 2012 F-450 (800 ft. tq and 400hp) and the new 6.7 was noticably more powerful. Making a left to get on a highway on ramp the rear tire broke loose a little as I was making the left with 1/2 throttle. With the 10 speed it made a much better highway cruiser than my 2012 6 speed 4:30 gears.
I did not stomp it on this truck either.

The diesel trucks are crazy powerful which makes it tempting. The emissions complexity makes it less tempting.
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Old 10-16-2021, 09:03 AM   #17
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Payload capacity on a diesel F350 SRW?
Lets hope no one thinks their one ton srw can carry those 39xx-45xx gvwr payloads in the bed as hitch weight or a truck camper.
Doing so blows the trucks 7000-7250 rawr (axle/tires/wheels and rear spring packs) regardless of gas or diesel.

The gas F350 srw 7.3 4wd cc 173" wb trucks rear axle base weight per Fleet Ford specs say 2997 lbs.
Same F350 srw with the 6.7 diesel rear axle base weight has a 3092 lbs .
Your only getting around 95 difference in usable pin weight or for carrying a truck camper.

Now if were just looking at gvwr based payload stickers for bragging rights or the truck will have a front and rear bumper mount overhead rack ( plumbers or overhead door installers) then the gas engine trucks wins out with a higher gvwr based payload numbers.

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Gas vs Diesel
Same trucks/same trim/same GVWR etc

Gas will ALWAYS have more Payload Rating
But doesn't really matter......axle weights are the deciding factor
Seems that truck manufactures for the Class 1 to Class 8 over the road 18 wheelers say it dangerous to exceed the GVWR. Perterbilt Class 8 18 wheelers under truck loading states this about GVWR dangers.

"Do not exceed the specified load rat-
ing. Overloading can result in loss of
vehicle control, either by causing com-
ponent failures or by affecting vehicle
handling. Exceeding load ratings can
also shorten the service life of the ve-
hicle. Failure to comply may result in
death or personal injury."

The Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)
or the maximum front and rear Gross Axle
Weight Ratings are determined by the
components installed from the factory on to
the vehicle and their designed
specifications.


It seem if you are worried about being safe you should follow manufactures ratings and warnings. The link below is about what manufactures are saying.

https://www.irv2.com/forums/f45/is-i...wr-553920.html
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Seems that truck manufactures for the Class 1 to Class 8 over the road 18 wheelers say it dangerous to exceed the GVWR. Perterbilt Class 8 18 wheelers under truck loading states this about GVWR dangers.

"Do not exceed the specified load rat-
ing. Overloading can result in loss of
vehicle control, either by causing com-
ponent failures or by affecting vehicle
handling. Exceeding load ratings can
also shorten the service life of the ve-
hicle. Failure to comply may result in
death or personal injury."

The Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)
or the maximum front and rear Gross Axle
Weight Ratings are determined by the
components installed from the factory on to
the vehicle and their designed
specifications.


It seem if you are worried about being safe you should follow manufactures ratings and warnings. The link below is about what manufactures are saying.

https://www.irv2.com/forums/f45/is-i...wr-553920.html
this thread is not about large trucks that carry dozens of tons of weight. Apples to bananas comparison
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this thread is not about large trucks that carry dozens of tons of weight. Apples to bananas comparison
The point is that all manufactures that I have researched warn about exceed the GVWR from the Class 1 (1/2 ton) to Class 8 (18 wheelers) states it dangers of exceed the GVWR or the GAWR.

Take look at this link....

https://www.irv2.com/forums/f45/is-i...wr-553920.html

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Not diesel, but here is a gas comparison. 2022 F350 XLT crew cab short bed - 4100 lbs.

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My RAM 3500 Diesel has you beat by 2491 lbs to be exact
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Is that a DRW ? I think they're comparing SRW.
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That has to be a DRW truck. But even at that 6,600lbs is still impressive.
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My RAM 3500 Diesel has you beat by 2491 lbs to be exact

Darn, must be a regular cab Tradesman, has my 2016 DRW Laramie beat by just over 1,000#!
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The point is that all manufactures that I have researched warn about exceed the GVWR from the Class 1 (1/2 ton) to Class 8 (18 wheelers) states it dangers of exceed the GVWR or the GAWR.
Exceeding the recommendation for weight is not always a safety issue. Things like gear ratio, transmission coolers, radiator size, etc also factor in and dictate mechanical abilities.
Many people get it into their heads that it’s always something to do with safety.
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Exceeding the recommendation for weight is not always a safety issue. Things like gear ratio, transmission coolers, radiator size, etc also factor in and dictate mechanical abilities.
Many people get it into their heads that itís always something to do with safety.
If that is true why would manufactures warn and GMC even list what may happen if you exceed the GVWR. Below is a quote from GMC Webpage and the link is at the bottom.

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"Failure to do so may result in you exceeding the GVWR and overloading your vehicle.

Overloading your truck or SUV can carry severe consequences, including:

Broken springs and suspension components due to excess weight
Brakes unable to stop the truck or SUV in a timely manner
Transmission and other driveline components may overheat and sustain serious damage
Unusual suspension behavior, making the vehicle hard to control
Tire temperatures rising to elevated levels, potentially leading to a blowoutFailure to do so may result in you exceeding the GVWR and overloading your vehicle.

Overloading your truck or SUV can carry severe consequences, including:

Broken springs and suspension components due to excess weight
Brakes unable to stop the truck or SUV in a timely manner
Transmission and other driveline components may overheat and sustain serious damage
Unusual suspension behavior, making the vehicle hard to control
Tire temperatures rising to elevated levels, potentially leading to a blowout."


https://www.gmc.com/gmc-life/how-to/...-weight-rating
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