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12-19-2014, 11:43 AM
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Vintage RV Owners Club
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Possible (legal?) to tow two toads?
What i am contemplating...:
40' diesel pusher pulling Jeep 4 down... then behind jeep, a tow dolly and small pickup 2 down.
Lighting i think would work... technically i think this train would go forward. Anyone ever do this? Legal? Train would be approx 65' ?
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1991 Beaver Marquis 40' (1,225 ft. lbs. torque)
2011 JGC Overland Summit Toad / U.S Gear Brake
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12-19-2014, 11:45 AM
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I suspect you'll find that is illegal in virtually every state. Check here: http://www.aaa.com/aaa/Traveler/trailer.html
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12-19-2014, 12:01 PM
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Fleetwood Owners Club Ford Super Duty Owner
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Some states allow a trailer behind a toad. Dunno about toad behind a toad. But I like the idea. (-:
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2011 Tiffin Phaeton 40QTH (Cummins ISC/Freightliner)
Flat towing a modified 2005 Jeep (Rubicon Wrangler)
Previously a 2002 Fleetwood Pace Arrow 37A and a 1995 Safari Trek 2830.
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12-19-2014, 12:46 PM
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Outdoors RV Owners Club
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Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Forget about the legalities for the moment.
Too many points of failure for me. Lighting, hitches, tires that need to be monitored, strapping down the tires to the tow dolly, can the hitch that pulls the first toad handle the extra weight of the two vehicles behind it?
Now, the legalities: Proper drivers licensing, will your insurance company be on board with your plan to cover your equipment arrangement, can you prove to the highway patrol officer that stopped you that it is all legal, or will you have to prove to the judge when you go back to plead not guilty to the citation you received? If the police make you break up the combination "right here, right now" or they start calling tow trucks, what will you do to get your vehicles where you are going?
In my mind, it's not an acceptable risk. What if you have to back up? Break down two vehicles and move them before you can even think of backing up the MH.
To anyone that is thinking "that won't happen", folks probably think the same thing the same day a tire blows out or there is an engine fire.
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12-19-2014, 01:50 PM
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Some of my past research has found that pulling two trailers are legal in some states and not in others. The roadway you happen to be traveling on may have some restrictions as well even though it may be legal in that state. (It could be legal on the Federal highways, but not so on the county or city streets. I have also found that a toad may or may not be covered as a trailer. (technically it is not a trailer) Some states, and this may include provinces in Cn. may not even cover the possibility of that combination as many of the laws were written for the commercial people not the RV industry. The best way to handle the question would be to do the research on the laws for each state prior to crossing the border.
On the other hand getting a resolution as to it's legality may be for someone to be the Guinne Pig. So I say GO for it!!!! Remember, when you set up the brakes, it is safest to have the lions share of the braking duties on the RV with each trailer behind doing a bit less than the one in front. A sliding wheel tries to take the lead! You do not want one of them to try to come around because the brakes are too tight.
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12-19-2014, 02:01 PM
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Thanks for the info guys. Like i said, hardware would hold. fundamentals are sound. Of course my largest concern would be road conditions and being pulled over by a cop and being made to break down.
Thanks everyone.
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1991 Beaver Marquis 40' (1,225 ft. lbs. torque)
2011 JGC Overland Summit Toad / U.S Gear Brake
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12-19-2014, 02:15 PM
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Winnebago Owners Club
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Many jurisdictions allow mulitple trailers. Some I am aware of require the first hitch to be a 5 wheel.
The issue of two toads would be problematic IMO. Cause of nightmares when attempting to fuel or backing up.
Depending upon the length of your unit a car hauler or stacker would be a practical and elegant alternative.
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12-19-2014, 02:43 PM
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I see it done on a fairly regular basis in Texas. You'll see small convoys of cars towing cars towing cars being transported from auto auctions in the Metro-Mess to Mexico.
Legal? Dunno, but have never seen them stopped by the po po.
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12-19-2014, 03:39 PM
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Here is a video of a Jeep set up to tow behind a bumper pull trailer. Not exactly what you have in mind, but similar.
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12-19-2014, 03:42 PM
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Damon Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner
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I think you are begging for problems.. The first is maximum vehicle length laws (Combined vehicle length) and as noted above SOME states allow double tow, SOME only selected 2nd trailers (IE: Boat) some do not allow it.. far as I know at all
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12-19-2014, 07:59 PM
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Simple solution. One long flatbed trailer with both toads on the trailer. Your two toads, assuming a 2014 Jeep Wrangler @ 153" long plus a 2015 Toyota Tacoma DoubleCab @ 208" long total 30' + 1" long (153 plus 208 inches = 361 inches, or an inch over 30' combined length). A 24' flatbed trailer with a 5' dovetail would do it, with about 13" of rear overhang sticking out past the dovetail at the rear of the trailer.
Here's one by Big Tex trailers. They don't make a lighter-duty trailer 29 or 30' long, but this one will do the job.
Big Tex Trailers 24ED/24AD Pintle Equipment Transport - Big Tex Trailers
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12-20-2014, 02:29 AM
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Vintage RV Owners Club Fleetwood Owners Club Ford Super Duty Owner
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fkloster, I'm assuming you'll be towing with your 91 Marquis. Looking at the brochure for your Diesel Pusher, it says GVWR is 33,540 and GCWR is 40,000. That would leave just 6460 lbs. to legally tow. What's the GVWR of both vehicles you want to tow?
Nice trailer link, Smokey. I tow a trailer with a backhoe very similar to the one in your link. I'll have to recheck the weight of the trailers dry weight again, but, isn't that about a 5000 lb. trailer? Add the Jeep and the small pick-up on that trailer and I'm thinking overweight towing issue.
Towing two bumper-pulls is ok is some states(hopefully in your state fkloster). It's not allowed here in California, but, towing a 5er and trailer behind 5er is ok for Commercial licensed drivers with the endorsement.
Rich
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12-20-2014, 07:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordon Dewald
Depending upon the length of your unit a car hauler or stacker would be a practical and elegant alternative.
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I don't see any ordinary car haulers long enough to haul a Jeep and Tacoma. But the stackers are in use a lot. On my recent 3,200 mile trip last week, I saw numerous diesel pushers dragging a two-car stacker race trailer. Some of the race trailers had $5,000 or more custom paint jobs to match the motorhome. Impressive rigs. A quick search on www.paceamerican.com didn't show me any, but they say they make them with 20' interior length. Gotta run right now, but later I'll do a search to find the correct stacker trailer for hauling a Jeep and Tacoma.
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12-20-2014, 08:48 AM
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The Big Tex would be much better than towing doubles.
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