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Old 08-02-2020, 10:37 PM   #85
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Don't Worry, take your trip have fun

Hey, don't necessarily listen to your dealers. They will try to sell you the moon.
Based on your information, you should be fine with weight distribution and anti sway.

Definition of an "expert" is a "drip" under "pressure". His 07 Tundra had a tow cap of 4,800#. And I would imagine his trailer & truck have added weight when you consider your relative's "stuff" added to his 4,000# trailer.

Your 7,500# should pull your 5,100#er okay (add water, stuff). If your drive home was okay you should do fine. If your Ranger has a towing pkg it's got everything you need.

Tell your relative you wouldn't let them drive your rig anyway if they cant get their own rig right.......lol

Go enjoy, tell us how your 1st trip went. There are plenty of youtube and podcaster experts around. I don't pay much attention to any of them except when I want a good laugh at what "dumb" sounds like.....some are ligit. Just do your own thing and enjoy. If you travel a lot I would recommend truck (LT) tires. Trailer tires are typically Chinese junk that are made for sitting still, not moving. Check those videos out.

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Old 08-02-2020, 11:54 PM   #86
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One thing that has not been mentioned as far as I know. The OP has a new trailer. All new trailers have a yellow sticker usually on the entrance door frame. It gives the dry weight WITH any options that have been installed. I'm betting that sticker will be really close to his cat scale weights. It also lists cargo capacity. Also new trailers measured length is from hitch ball to bumper not just the "box". Thankfully he is up to speed on setting the weight distribution hitch with the anti sway. Had to do mine three times to get it right but well worth the time. Like everyone has said . . . just be safe!
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Old 08-03-2020, 05:59 AM   #87
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I'm sure by now you figured out your mistake believing the dealer. Here are my 2 cents. I had a Ranger some time ago so I know what this truck can or more like can not do. I wouldn't dream of pulling anything bigger than a small boat or small trailer and I mean SMALL, with any 1/4 ton truck. I have a 1/2 ton and now wish it was a 3/4 ton. When pulling something big in the rear always go big in front too.
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Old 08-03-2020, 06:33 AM   #88
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Mr Lambert if you donít know what heís got how can you give him advice? A Ford Ranger is a mid-sized truck that is about 3/4 the size of a F150, it weighs 4300 pounds and is fairly short wheelbase. If they broke it down to fractions it would probably a 3/8T, quite a bit less than 1/2T as far as wheelbase, weight, and load carrying capacity. Iím afraid everything you spoke of is fairly irrelevant in this gentlemanís situation.
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Old 08-03-2020, 11:42 AM   #89
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I really do appreciate sugar-coating-less feedback, so no worries at all about the honesty and perceived harshness. Thats why I posted here, to get some honest opinions.

Update: we completed our first camping trip this past weekend. It was about 1 hour away, all interstate driving. I took it easy in the right lane, about 65-70mph for the most part. On the way there I got behind an Ashley furniture semi and just followed him the whole way. It was honestly a very relaxing drive being able to concede to the slow traffic and not worrying about trying to maintain 80mph with constant lane changes and slow downs like I usually would. I didn't ever get that heart pounding feeling where I clenched the wheel.

The drive back was a little more nerve racking, but mainly bc it was Sunday morning. Anybody who's ever camped in WI on a weekend would know that southbound traffic is always a nightmare bc Chicago people invade our state on weekends, and especially during COVID summer. So its a mass exodus on Sunday. I never felt overwhelmed, but could definitely feel the limitations of my TV. There were a couple times when I finally felt that tug from a passing semi.

Unfornately I don't have the finances to just go out and upgrade my truck tomorrow. My plan is to make this Ranger work, taking it easy, allowing extra time, etc until I can manage the expense of a truck upgrade. We have about 5 or 6 weekend (so 1-2 hours max) trips yet this year, and then comes winter. Might just get some use out of this Ranger through the winter and just keep checking autotrader for the right 1/2 or 3/4 ton upgrade and jump on it for the 2021 camping season. I could potentially snag up a used truck if a great deal pops up, and sell my Ranger after, which gives me some flexibility of taking an opportunity when it presents itself rather than settling on what's available in the used market today.

The one caveat is that we have a flight trip planned in Oct, one week, that may need to be cancelled bc of COVID and travel quarantine rules. We've been tossing around the idea of a plan B trip with the camper to SD, which is about 13 hours from home (so 2 day trip I figure). Seems like a bad idea with the Ranger, and unpredictable SD weather in Oct regardless of my truck. But there's that too. So might even trade up before if we do end up going with plan B. The SD trip just sounds so amazing. I went as a kid and have fond memories. I'm going to get a few more trips under my belt and perhaps another weight check after we've had time to settle on what necessities need packed, before I decide whether to push it with the Ranger on such a long trip. My wife even suggested taking her Honda Pilot so the camper could be totally unloaded, bc she really wants to go and that might be easier/cheaper than upgrading the truck. But would be such a pain being split into 2 cars obviously.

One thing I never mentioned and seen brought up. I have an only child, age 7. And my wife is tiny, about 100#. So that limits my payload needs compared to the avg 2-3 child American family I suppose.
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Old 08-03-2020, 12:20 PM   #90
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Funny how a 100 lb. person can boss you around...

That is great when you can follow a semi. I have done that on occasion for many miles. Usually that right land traffic moves at 68mph which works for me.

I am impressed that the little Ford Ranger actually does as well as you say. I towed a trailer with a F-150 thru Iowa that was a non event. Actually I towed from Columbus Ohio to Iowa City. It was an easy tow, all flat.

If/when you look for a bigger truck you know to look for the highest payload. 150/1500 trucks vary from 1,450lbs to 2,100lbs payload. The 2019 and newer GM trucks have a high payload. So does the Nissan Titan XD. The F-150 will have a new snazzy interior in 2021.

You choices are going to be mind bogglingly good.
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Old 08-03-2020, 02:26 PM   #91
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Mr Lambert if you don’t know what he’s got how can you give him advice? A Ford Ranger is a mid-sized truck that is about 3/4 the size of a F150, it weighs 4300 pounds and is fairly short wheelbase. If they broke it down to fractions it would probably a 3/8T, quite a bit less than 1/2T as far as wheelbase, weight, and load carrying capacity. I’m afraid everything you spoke of is fairly irrelevant in this gentleman’s situation.
I know what a Ford Ranger is and I just stated that I would not be pulling with one.
Are you sure you read my post ?
I think your reading far too much into it.
I agree with what you said.
Please explain where I was giving him advice?
I don't care what you pull or pull with. You have to do it right!
My point is proper loading,so is that bad advice?
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Old 08-03-2020, 02:36 PM   #92
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Funny how a 100 lb. person can boss you around...

That is great when you can follow a semi. I have done that on occasion for many miles. Usually that right land traffic moves at 68mph which works for me.

I am impressed that the little Ford Ranger actually does as well as you say. I towed a trailer with a F-150 thru Iowa that was a non event. Actually I towed from Columbus Ohio to Iowa City. It was an easy tow, all flat.

If/when you look for a bigger truck you know to look for the highest payload. 150/1500 trucks vary from 1,450lbs to 2,100lbs payload. The 2019 and newer GM trucks have a high payload. So does the Nissan Titan XD. The F-150 will have a new snazzy interior in 2021.

You choices are going to be mind bogglingly good.
Lol. Yep, she is very much responsible for the big camper. I would've been fine with tents and pit toilets.

What exactly should I be looking at in the online specs to get a good idea of the payload, before making a trip to a car lot to inspect the sticker? Like for example, is the Lariat in general going to offer less payload than an XLT? A certain engine size that I should be filtering on? Anything else? I did do a few VIN lookups to get GVWR, and they certainly do vary. The first '18 F150 Lariat that I looked up was almost identical to my Ranger in terms of GVWR - curb wt.
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With all due respect I think your Ranger is undersized and under powered to a degree that is potentially dangerous. Not only for you and your family but to other drivers as well. When you get this close to operating margins things can go south in a heartbeat. I'm not so sure your Tundra driving friends assessment is too far off the mark. I encourage you to chose your next steps carefully and wish you well.
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Old 08-03-2020, 02:50 PM   #94
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I really do appreciate sugar-coating-less feedback, so no worries at all about the honesty and perceived harshness. Thats why I posted here, to get some honest opinions.

Update: we completed our first camping trip this past weekend. It was about 1 hour away, all interstate driving. I took it easy in the right lane, about 65-70mph for the most part
Be advised, trailer tires are rated for 65 MPH max.
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Look in the drivers door jamb for the yellow sticker that will give the payload capacity of your truck. Then go to towingplanner.com to learn how to get your actual tongue weight by weighing on a CAT scale. This should be done with wife, kids, dogs food, full tank of fuel, water,, if you are going to take it, etc...



Tongue weight - payload is what you can load in the truck. I am guessing your truck is going to have about 1200 lbs payload. 13% tongue weight at 6000 lbs is 780 lbs. You are going to be cutting it close, if my assumptions are close to correct. Do the math and make your decision. I wish you the best of luck with your new rig!! Get out there and enjoy!!!!!
Door sticker on the Ranger says 1428. I found an F150 in my area with payload 1730 (based on VIN lookup, would need to verify). Is that 300 lbs going to be worth it? Not really finding any low mileage F250 in my price range at the moment. I do kind of want to stick with Ford.
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Yes, 300 does make a difference but just as important you are buying a heavier vehicle with a longer wheelbase. A much better towing platform. Just for example the wheelbase on my 2017 F-250 is 160"

What engine is in that F-150? You really do not want a 3.5 Eco-Boost unless it is a 2018 truck. They use two timing chain tensioners in 2018 to help eliminate play in the timing chain.
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Oddly enough the listing is pretty lacking, including the engine. Just says 6 turbo, 10 speed. Waiting to get the window sticker and door jam stickers from seller. 2019 F150 XLT. Factory buy back program, so there's some risk, but also priced as such (which is what caught my attention.) Might be a good fit given my predicament - take some additional risk with the factory buy back (warranties still apply) - decrease my risk in towing. Might be less risk than if I went with an older, higher mileage truck sold at the same price point. Hmm...

Also, wanted to let you know the other factors of the F150 didn't fall on deaf ears. The wheel base, weight, better braking. Just wasn't sure if the +300 payload was going to be enough. And my wife likes - more cup holders!
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Yes, 300 does make a difference but just as important you are buying a heavier vehicle with a longer wheelbase. A much better towing platform. Just for example the wheelbase on my 2017 F-250 is 160"

What engine is in that F-150? You really do not want a 3.5 Eco-Boost unless it is a 2018 truck. They use two timing chain tensioners in 2018 to help eliminate play in the timing chain.
What about 2018 2.7L 325hp 6-cyl? 1680 payload. Not sure if you mean I need more than 3.5L, or if I should just avoid 3.5 specifically.
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