Saw my 1st unimpressive 2020 F-250

[tuffr2]

Talking all SRW trucks:

In 2017 Ford did a complete updated I know. My 2017 is a lot more solid feeling than my 2012 was.

I still think the 250/2500 series trucks should compete with each other the same for the 350/3500 series trucks.

Ford has been using a high strength steel boxed frame since 2017 that was advertised to be 23 times stiffer than the old frame. Not sure how they tested it.

Anyway the 2019 Ram frame and GM 2020 frame is probably equal or maybe a tiny bit better than the 2017 Ford Frame.

IMHO Ford really needs to increase the rear axle capacity to match Ram and GM.

I think the 2020 GM 2500HD has 7,200lb axles and the 3500HD has 7,600lb axles.

The 2020 Ford F-250 has only 6,340lb axles.

[Jshopes81]

Originally Posted by tuffr2

Talking all SRW trucks:

In 2017 Ford did a complete updated I know. My 2017 is a lot more solid feeling than my 2012 was.

I still think the 250/2500 series trucks should compete with each other the same for the 350/3500 series trucks.

Ford has been using a high strength steel boxed frame since 2017 that was advertised to be 23 times stiffer than the old frame. Not sure how they tested it.

Anyway the 2019 Ram frame and GM 2020 frame is probably equal or maybe a tiny bit better than the 2017 Ford Frame.

IMHO Ford really needs to increase the rear axle capacity to match Ram and GM.

I think the 2020 GM 2500HD has 7,200lb axles and the 3500HD has 7,600lb axles.

The 2020 Ford F-250 has only 6,340lb axles.

Youre missing whats going on. Gm just completely withdrew from the under 10klb gvw class. Ford is likely the only company making a truck in that weight class. Thats smart business to me.

[jjackrash]

Originally Posted by Jshopes81

Youre missing whats going on. Gm just completely withdrew from the under 10klb gvw class.

Or GM just views the under 10klbs class as the 1/2 ton class now.

[tuffr2]

I do know the GM 1500 series trucks are huge with a long wheelbase since redesigned in 2019. So I bet jjackrash is right.

But now there is little difference between the GM 2500HD and the GM 3500HD trucks.

[Jshopes81]

Originally Posted by jjackrash

Or GM just views the under 10klbs class as the 1/2 ton class now.

It kind of sounds like gm just moved the numbers up to the next gvwr. Either way its all just a numbers game.

[tuffr2]

So does the Ford F-250 now compete with the GM 1500 series trucks? I don't think so. In the gas versions my 2017 F-250 Lariat 2WD with a payload of 3,497lbs still beats the 2020 Chevy 2500 HD 6.6 4x4 gas by about 150 lbs.


But the F-250 diesel has way less payload than the GM 2500HD by about 1,000lbs.

6,340 lb rear axles on the Ford and 7,250 lb. axles on the GM.

If makes no sense that my truck has. 3,497 payload capacity.

[Jshopes81]

Originally Posted by tuffr2

So does the Ford F-250 now compete with the GM 1500 series trucks? I don't think so. In the gas versions my 2017 F-250 Lariat 2WD with a payload of 3,497lbs still beats the 2020 Chevy 2500 HD 6.6 4x4 gas by about 150 lbs.


But the F-250 diesel has way less payload than the GM 2500HD by about 1,000lbs.

6,340 lb rear axles on the Ford and 7,250 lb. axles on the GM.

If makes no sense that my truck has. 3,497 payload capacity.

Its just apples to footballs to compare a truck with under 10kgvw to a truck with 1000lbs more gvw.

[01tundra]

Originally Posted by keymastr

The diesel takes a lot of the payload away. My 2016 gas XLT 4X4 has a 2600 pound payload. In the diesel it would be less than 2100. Diesel is really best left to 1 ton and up.

Yep, my 2017 2500HD Denali only has 2,124 lbs of payload capacity.

Even though the 2020 2500's have much more payload my next truck will still be a single axle 1-ton just because. I've been watching the 2019 3500HD's but the GM strike seemed to have bumped their prices back up, they start dropping before the strike and then started creeping back up. I'm guessing this was because of the availability (lack thereof) of the 2020's.

[rblanch]

Picked up my 2020 GMC AT4 3500 srw 8' bed diesel fully loaded last week. So far it has been flawless. I was a little skeptical of the 3.42 axle ratio at first however the 10 speed trans seem to always be in the right gear at the right time. the sticker on the door reads GVWR 12,250 GCWR 29,700 RGAWR 7,250 curb weight 8,605 max payload 3,645 conventional TWR 20,000 max tongue weight 2,000 gooseneck/5thwheel 21,100 max tongue weight 3,165 I traded in a 2017 GMC and the ratings were a lot less however it pulled my 18,000lb 5th wheel with no problems can't wait to see how it tows.

[tuffr2]

rb - my guess you will love the way it tows as that new engine has a lot more cooling.
The added strength to the frame will make it seem as solid as a rock.

TFL Andre' drove one solo just under 1,000 miles and the 1st thing he mentioned was how solid it felt.

My test drive of the gas version I agree. Very nice driving and solid feeling truck.

3,6xx pounds payload is really good for a diesel truck.

[rblanch]

Originally Posted by tuffr2

rb - my guess you will love the way it tows as that new engine has a lot more cooling.
The added strength to the frame will make it seem as solid as a rock.

TFL Andre' drove one solo just under 1,000 miles and the 1st thing he mentioned was how solid it felt.

My test drive of the gas version I agree. Very nice driving and solid feeling truck.

3,6xx pounds payload is really good for a diesel truck.

All of the numbers came from the door sticker should be accurate.

[kdauto]

Originally Posted by rblanch

Picked up my 2020 GMC AT4 3500 srw 8' bed diesel fully loaded last week. So far it has been flawless. I was a little skeptical of the 3.42 axle ratio at first however the 10 speed trans seem to always be in the right gear at the right time. the sticker on the door reads GVWR 12,250 GCWR 29,700 RGAWR 7,250 curb weight 8,605 max payload 3,645 conventional TWR 20,000 max tongue weight 2,000 gooseneck/5thwheel 21,100 max tongue weight 3,165 I traded in a 2017 GMC and the ratings were a lot less however it pulled my 18,000lb 5th wheel with no problems can't wait to see how it tows.

Do I understand that you'll be putting an 18 000 lb 5er on that SRW truck? Shouldn't the pin weight on that be already well over 3000 lbs?

[rblanch]

Originally Posted by kdauto

Do I understand that you'll be putting an 18 000 lb 5er on that SRW truck? Shouldn't the pin weight on that be already well over 3000 lbs?

Caught by the dually police. Just kidding. The pin weight on the tag is 3175 however I have never weighed it I'm sure it varies weather or not I'M carrying two 4 wheelers or not. All I know is its right at the specs of the 2017 and the2020 is rated for a lot more. when I hook up the rear of the truck drops down 2" to the top helper springs making the truck and trailer perfectly level. the front of the truck stays the same. While driving I have never felt unsafe or excessive bouncing. Have about 15,000 towing miles mostly in the Rocky and the Smokey mountains. The only reason I trade up to the 2020 is to get the 8' bed. I'm sure the 2020 srw will work fine.

[kendall69]

Comes down to this.
Dodge made by Fiat and we all know about Fiat.
GM transmission problems no thank you.
Ford 6.7 diesel tried and true engine at this point. Transmission bullet proof.