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11-19-2024, 10:43 AM
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A Dually has about 1500# of extra payload versus a SRW so depends on the size fifth wheel. If loaded pin weight is going to be over 2750# I'd go with Dually
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11-19-2024, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by MFL
IMO, the need for a DRW starts with a FW GVWR of 16K.
If you are full time, and hauling as much junk/possessions in the truck, as you are cramming in a midsize FW, you MAY need a DRW.
If you have a business, with multiple trailers, you need a DRW truck big enough to carry a load, plus tow your heaviest trailer. This makes good sense! OTOH, if you own a fleet of trucks (let's say 9), why would you daily drive the biggest truck for so many years? Could it be for the same reason I enjoy driving my Super Duty, when I could choose my sport car, or midsize SUV?
Had a guy ask once, why I am riding my bicycle, when I have 3 motorcycles in my garage. The answer; I enjoy riding, and the exercise is a bonus! Oh ya, I very much enjoy riding motorcycles too!
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LOL; Yep, I've daily driven my DRW trucks for 21 years because I have no issues driving them vs. the SRW truck's in my fleet. I enjoy driving my sportscar and SUV as well, but prefer the Super Duty most of the time.
My line in the sand is similar to your, though perhaps a bit lower.
I also have 3 motorcycles in the garage (well, 4 but one is a friends) and love riding those as well......too little time and too many hobbies!
Cheers,
Dave
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11-19-2024, 10:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coglesby
A Dually has about 1500# of extra payload versus a SRW so depends on the size fifth wheel. If loaded pin weight is going to be over 2750# I'd go with Dually
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Well that and the extra 2,670 lbs of GAWR....
Cheers,
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11-19-2024, 11:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doss
I recently debated between 2500 and 3500 for future expansion. I don't need the capacity at the moment but I am weighing a trade while my truck's value is still relatively high.
You guys convinced me to go for the 3500.
Now I am wondering if I would ever regret not getting DRW. For maintenance, daily drivability etc, I would much prefer SRW.
I did a quick look at the heaviest 5ers I could find and the highest GVWER rarely hit or topped 17K. That is 3K below a 3500 SRW capacity.
Obviously a DRW will be more stable but I am not seeing the trade off.
I have had a DRW in the past and it was great but it wasn't my daily driver.
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So, this is one of those discussions that holds a lot of brand loyalty and opinions. If someone has a dually, they swear buy it and for those that have a SRW, they swear by them, such as myself.
I have a 2014 Ford F250 4x4 Lariat, 6.2 gas, 4.30 gears, 6 speed automatic, 5th wheel package, trailer tow package Heavy Duty Suspension Package SRW. I pull a 38' 5th wheel, 12,100 lbs, 1900 lb pin weight. I ordered this truck with the exact things that I wanted to Pull what I have. The only thing I wished I had done is add the camper package which would have given me overload springs and a rear sway bar but honestly, I don't really notice anything.
For Ford Trucks that year and the 6.2, the DRW was actually rated at 100 lbs less trailer weight ( 15,100 lbs vs. 15,000 for DRW), however, the diesel is a different story. The diesel DRW is rated at 24,700lbs as opposed to the gas at 15,100 lbs, a staggering 9600lb difference. All of these numbers are for model year 2014, SRW 6.5' bed vs. DRW 8.0' bed, 4x4 chassis.
Last, the SRW can carry 3186 lbs of pin weight whereas the DRW can carry 6071 lbs.
I know the newer trucks are different and can pull more weight with the more powerful engine lineups now but the premise is the same.
Figure out your needs and select a truck that suits your needs. As far as brand, I have always been a Ford guy but the big three have a lot to offer, meaning Ford, Ram and GM. Toyota and Nissan have nice trucks but they just can't do the bigger trailers and really are not equipped to do 5th wheels unless the newer ones have changed.
Good Luck and Safe Travels!
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11-19-2024, 11:42 AM
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I towed a 14K 5th wheel with a 3500 SRW for years...........100,000 miles
Todays SRWs have higher ratings..........I would be comfortable with 16K 5th wheel
Above 16K I would go with DRW for the higher ratings and wider stance (stability)
As for 'daily driver'?
Yes the 'hips' are no wider then the mirrors (when turned out/tow position)
But the 'hips' are down low and the mirrors are up high
I see Many DRWs daily drivers are my area and the all are TIGHT fitting on roadways/parking lots/parking spaces----drive thru etc
I see the advantages of DRWs but will go SRW and keep 5th wheel GVWR at 16K or below
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11-19-2024, 01:26 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Kelowna, B.C. Canada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RVfixit
So, this is one of those discussions that holds a lot of brand loyalty and opinions. If someone has a dually, they swear buy it and for those that have a SRW, they swear by them, such as myself.
I have a 2014 Ford F250 4x4 Lariat, 6.2 gas, 4.30 gears, 6 speed automatic, 5th wheel package, trailer tow package Heavy Duty Suspension Package SRW. I pull a 38' 5th wheel, 12,100 lbs, 1900 lb pin weight. I ordered this truck with the exact things that I wanted to Pull what I have. The only thing I wished I had done is add the camper package which would have given me overload springs and a rear sway bar but honestly, I don't really notice anything.
For Ford Trucks that year and the 6.2, the DRW was actually rated at 100 lbs less trailer weight ( 15,100 lbs vs. 15,000 for DRW), however, the diesel is a different story. The diesel DRW is rated at 24,700lbs as opposed to the gas at 15,100 lbs, a staggering 9600lb difference. All of these numbers are for model year 2014, SRW 6.5' bed vs. DRW 8.0' bed, 4x4 chassis.
Last, the SRW can carry 3186 lbs of pin weight whereas the DRW can carry 6071 lbs.
I know the newer trucks are different and can pull more weight with the more powerful engine lineups now but the premise is the same.
Figure out your needs and select a truck that suits your needs. As far as brand, I have always been a Ford guy but the big three have a lot to offer, meaning Ford, Ram and GM. Toyota and Nissan have nice trucks but they just can't do the bigger trailers and really are not equipped to do 5th wheels unless the newer ones have changed.
Good Luck and Safe Travels!
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What if you have both?
For a 12,100 lb 5th wheel you don't need a dually.
Dave
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11-19-2024, 01:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Old-Biscuit
I towed a 14K 5th wheel with a 3500 SRW for years...........100,000 miles
Todays SRWs have higher ratings..........I would be comfortable with 16K 5th wheel
Above 16K I would go with DRW for the higher ratings and wider stance (stability)
As for 'daily driver'?
Yes the 'hips' are no wider then the mirrors (when turned out/tow position)
But the 'hips' are down low and the mirrors are up high
I see Many DRWs daily drivers are my area and the all are TIGHT fitting on roadways/parking lots/parking spaces----drive thru etc
I see the advantages of DRWs but will go SRW and keep 5th wheel GVWR at 16K or below
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A good post and valid perspective as always.  Nothing wrong with staying on the smaller side and there is no perfect RV setup for everyone.
One small correction; the "hips" are narrower than the tow mirrors even when the tow mirrors are in the "in" position - I know because I have 8' wide garage doors and have to fold my mirrors in to get into the garage.....the dually fenders have a couple inches of clearance per side.
Cheers,
Dave
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11-19-2024, 01:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Pelletier
What if you have both?
For a 12,100 lb 5th wheel you don't need a dually.
Dave
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Both? Well that makes you a lucky guy with lots of choices!
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11-19-2024, 04:22 PM
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^^^I guess if you have both you can tow the fiver with the dually and have your wife follow along behind with the SRW so you have a nicer ride for touring around with once you get to your destination.
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11-19-2024, 04:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4x4ord
^^^I guess if you have both you can tow the fiver with the dually and have your wife follow along behind with the SRW so you have a nicer ride for touring around with once you get to your destination.��
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Sorry, I can't help myself! Ive been married for 46 years and can say with all honesty there are other advantages to having your wife follow behind you...Im just sayin  and this would be my wife's feeling about that
Safe Travels!
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11-19-2024, 05:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4x4ord
^^^I guess if you have both you can tow the fiver with the dually and have your wife follow along behind with the SRW so you have a nicer ride for touring around with once you get to your destination.��
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Actually I have two duallies and three one ton SRW diesels (and one 3/4 ton diesel) and I don't find the duallies to ride any worse than the SRW's.....certainly not enough to bother me.
If I'm gonna have her follow me around (RVFixit has a point!  ) then I'll get her to drive our GLE53AMG MB......that actually does ride better.
Cheers,
Dave
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11-19-2024, 09:32 PM
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I've towed my 10,500# fifth wheel now for ten years with my 20 year old Ram dually with the 5.9 Cummins. It is 2 wheel drive with an anti-spin axle. The truck's capacities are similar to new 3/4 ton trucks. Here are some perspectives not mentioned:
Duallies have about 1 1/2" lower bedrail height than SRW similar trucks if bedrail clearance is an issue. My trailer is older with a low overhang and the 2WD dually makes a good fit. The lower height makes bed access very easy and I can slide into the driver's seat without climbing and contorting. This alone, offsets any conveniences a SRW higher truck would offer.
My trailer is 8' wide as are the truck's hips so I align them when hitching up so as to center my hitch which I can't see from the truck. Works perfectly.
I have never had wind or other vehicles move my trailer when towing; rock solid chassis and comfortable, non fatiguing tow. Paint on an older dually is better because they don't fit in most car washes to get surface scratches. Downside is the hand washing. Most people don't offroad with dualliues.
It costs more to balance the tires as two need to be dismounted. I run Centramatics, so I have to remove the outer tires to check rear air pressure. Never felt the need to get a lift and install oversize tires to look cool.
2WD dually has zero traction when things get slick. I swear I could get stuck going downhill on dry pavement. The truck stays on the driveway when the weather goes bad.
Added an auxilliary tank and can carry firewood or whatever without having to worry about weights. I can sit on my open tailgate and dangle my feet just 6" off the ground. I can reach over my bed rails and install the safety clip on my hitch.
Never had any problems driving it any where. Parking is another issue; I call it dually parking and choose my spots wisely. More walking is required which isn't an issue.
Overall, I love driving and living with my truck, and plan to keep and tow with it another ten years.
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11-21-2024, 07:44 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CecilD
I've towed my 10,500# fifth wheel now for ten years with my 20 year old Ram dually with the 5.9 Cummins. It is 2 wheel drive with an anti-spin axle. The truck's capacities are similar to new 3/4 ton trucks. Here are some perspectives not mentioned:
Duallies have about 1 1/2" lower bedrail height than SRW similar trucks if bedrail clearance is an issue. My trailer is older with a low overhang and the 2WD dually makes a good fit. The lower height makes bed access very easy and I can slide into the driver's seat without climbing and contorting. This alone, offsets any conveniences a SRW higher truck would offer.
My trailer is 8' wide as are the truck's hips so I align them when hitching up so as to center my hitch which I can't see from the truck. Works perfectly.
I have never had wind or other vehicles move my trailer when towing; rock solid chassis and comfortable, non fatiguing tow. Paint on an older dually is better because they don't fit in most car washes to get surface scratches. Downside is the hand washing. Most people don't offroad with dualliues.
It costs more to balance the tires as two need to be dismounted. I run Centramatics, so I have to remove the outer tires to check rear air pressure. Never felt the need to get a lift and install oversize tires to look cool.
2WD dually has zero traction when things get slick. I swear I could get stuck going downhill on dry pavement. The truck stays on the driveway when the weather goes bad.
Added an auxilliary tank and can carry firewood or whatever without having to worry about weights. I can sit on my open tailgate and dangle my feet just 6" off the ground. I can reach over my bed rails and install the safety clip on my hitch.
Never had any problems driving it any where. Parking is another issue; I call it dually parking and choose my spots wisely. More walking is required which isn't an issue.
Overall, I love driving and living with my truck, and plan to keep and tow with it another ten years.
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The bed height is true, I replaced a 2001 Ram 2400 4X4 with a 2016 Ram 3500 DRW 4X4 and the bed height was basically the same.
It is true that a DRW will not fit every where that a SRW will, but not many.
Here are a couple pictures of out 2001 and 2016 comparison.
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11-22-2024, 05:30 AM
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Our previous truck was a SRW. At that time we have a 32' Cougar 5th wheel. Not real heavy. It pulled and handled just fine, however if it was a windy day I could feel the camper pull and tug on the truck in a good crosswind.
Bought the 2005 dually, pulling that same camper it was a big change. The camper never moved the truck. Even on the interstate when semi trucks would pass us I didn't feel the usual push/pull as they go by. We now have a 33' Montana which is much heavier and taller than the Cougar. The dually is still rock solid.
I supposed if most of my camping was local I could have a SRW truck. But, for driving for hours on the interstate for me the dually is worth it.
The same truck is also my daily driver. But I will say we live in the country and most of our driving is in small towns. It won't fit in the back drive thru and some fast food places are tight. Not a big deal for us, but may be for others.
Blessings
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