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11-22-2024, 08:11 AM
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My biggest issue with the hips is backing in boats/sea doo's.
I know everyone on here is great at backing stuff, but I will tell you a single waverunner behind a dually is a challenge.
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11-22-2024, 06:47 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2024
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doss
I recently debated between 2500 and 3500 for future expansion. I don't need the capacity at the moment but I am weighing a trade while my truck's value is still relatively high.
You guys convinced me to go for the 3500.
Now I am wondering if I would ever regret not getting DRW. For maintenance, daily drivability etc, I would much prefer SRW.
I did a quick look at the heaviest 5ers I could find and the highest GVWER rarely hit or topped 17K. That is 3K below a 3500 SRW capacity.
Obviously a DRW will be more stable but I am not seeing the trade off.
I have had a DRW in the past and it was great but it wasn't my daily driver.
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what are you using to determine the capability for pulling a 5th wheel, if your using the manufactures spec for how heavy of a trailer it can pull then throw that in the garbage it is useless. rather what you need to look at is payload capacity, and more specifically rear axel weight. what determines how big if a 5th you can pull is how much hitch weight you can put on your truck. for example my 40 foot 5th wheel has a GVW of around 14K but the hitch weight including the 5th wheel hitch its self is around 2800lbs which means with it hooked and the wife and dog loaded up, I still have over 1000lbs of room on my rear axel so I am legal. I have a single rear wheel, and as long as you are not over your GVRW and overloaded I don't see how a dual rear wheel can make that much difference with the newer pivoting head 5th wheel hitches, that allows the 5th to pivot side to side and not transfer it to the truck. to me if your 5th is going to be under the payload of the truck it should be fine.
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11-23-2024, 09:09 AM
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#31
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 3,094
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doss
My biggest issue with the hips is backing in boats/sea doo's.
I know everyone on here is great at backing stuff, but I will tell you a single waverunner behind a dually is a challenge.
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The title of the thread is for 5th wheel pulling. I think that there is no contest when comparing SRW with DRW for that application, a DRW is super stable.
I also have a narrow, smallish utility trailer that I use for dumping scrap metal. I have a 5th wheel tailgate with slats and a dip in the center, so I can easier see the trailer swinging one side to the other. Depending on your tailgate and trailer, you can open the gate and watch your trailer as you back up. I use the rear view camera at times with a small trailer, but I have a small 3" or so mirror display. With a decent camera and display you should be good for reversing. Of course, some higher end models have the trailer dummy system, which basically does the reversing for you.
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2011 GMC Sierra 3500HD gas 6.0 dually
1994 K1500 Suburban shop mule and plow truck
2006 Lakota 29RKT 5th wheel
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11-23-2024, 09:47 AM
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#32
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Howard County,MD
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kduto wrote:
The title of the thread is for 5th wheel pulling. I think that there is no contest when comparing SRW with DRW for that application, a DRW is super stable.
This says it all. Too often we introduce other factors that have nothing to do with towing a 5th wheel to make the case for a SRW truck.
Going through a drive thru, fitting in the garage, My wife won't drive it, are all non issues.
Its silly to even dispute that a DRW is a more stable platform for towing a large fiver vs. a SRW.
Most simply dislike a DRW because it lacks the cool factor of SRW trucks. Many prefer to drive what they consider aa normal looking truck.
They consider the dually too big and too ugly, which is another non factor when it comes to actually towing that 5th wheel.
As far as drivability on paved roads a long bed DRW performs the same as a SRW.
If length is equal non towing performance on paved roads will be equal.
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11-23-2024, 06:18 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2017
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Originally Posted by Lantley
kduto wrote:
The title of the thread is for 5th wheel pulling. I think that there is no contest when comparing SRW with DRW for that application, a DRW is super stable.
This says it all. Too often we introduce other factors that have nothing to do with towing a 5th wheel to make the case for a SRW truck.
Going through a drive thru, fitting in the garage, My wife won't drive it, are all non issues.
Its silly to even dispute that a DRW is a more stable platform for towing a large fiver vs. a SRW.
Most simply dislike a DRW because it lacks the cool factor of SRW trucks. Many prefer to drive what they consider aa normal looking truck.
They consider the dually too big and too ugly, which is another non factor when it comes to actually towing that 5th wheel.
As far as drivability on paved roads a long bed DRW performs the same as a SRW.
If length is equal non towing performance on paved roads will be equal.
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The OP says he knows the dually will provide a more stable ride while towing .... he's concerned that if he gets a SRW and ends up with a larger trailer he'll regret not going with duals. Yet if he gets duals he feels there will be times when he's not towing that he'll wish he had gotten a SRW. I can understand his concern. As can be seen from this thread, many people with newer SRW 3500 series trucks love towing with their SRW and are not at all convinced that a dually has a whole lot to offer over a SRW if the fiver being towed is 16,000 lbs or less; and many people who choose a DRW for towing have a hard time acknowledging that a SRW would, at times, be nicer. In actuality the Op will probably be happy either way he goes ..... get the diesel and go with the highest speed final drive you can get in whatever model you choose. I hope to see a 3.10 final drive option behind the new ZF 8 speed/Cummins.
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11-25-2024, 01:24 PM
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#34
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 1,579
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lantley
kduto wrote:
The title of the thread is for 5th wheel pulling. I think that there is no contest when comparing SRW with DRW for that application, a DRW is super stable.
This says it all. Too often we introduce other factors that have nothing to do with towing a 5th wheel to make the case for a SRW truck.
Going through a drive thru, fitting in the garage, My wife won't drive it, are all non issues.
Its silly to even dispute that a DRW is a more stable platform for towing a large fiver vs. a SRW.
Most simply dislike a DRW because it lacks the cool factor of SRW trucks. Many prefer to drive what they consider aa normal looking truck.
They consider the dually too big and too ugly, which is another non factor when it comes to actually towing that 5th wheel.
As far as drivability on paved roads a long bed DRW performs the same as a SRW.
If length is equal non towing performance on paved roads will be equal.
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This pretty spot on!
I will add that is post well 15K or 16k 5th wheel is the breaking point between SRW and DRW. Well our 5th wheel is about 13,200# with a 2,900# pin, I carry a fair amount of stuff in my in bed tool box and DW, myself, and the dog add up to 1,400#. If I gone with a SRW I would have likely been over GVWR.
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2005 Keystone Copper Canyon 293FWSLS Rear Kitchen 12,360 GVWR
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11-25-2024, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhagfo
This pretty spot on!
I will add that is post well 15K or 16k 5th wheel is the breaking point between SRW and DRW. Well our 5th wheel is about 13,200# with a 2,900# pin, I carry a fair amount of stuff in my in bed tool box and DW, myself, and the dog add up to 1,400#. If I gone with a SRW I would have likely been over GVWR.
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Looking at your signature; it appears that you are nearly 1,000 lbs over weight on your trailer.
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11-25-2024, 04:57 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2013
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Originally Posted by MFL
Looking at your signature; it appears that you are nearly 1,000 lbs over weight on your trailer.
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Yep!
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2016 Ram Laramie 3500 DRW Aisin 4X4 14,000# GVWR.
2005 Keystone Copper Canyon 293FWSLS Rear Kitchen 12,360 GVWR
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11-26-2024, 12:04 AM
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#37
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Join Date: Dec 2018
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For us, towing a fifth wheel has worked out for us. But it's the only thing we know. It's quiet, and very stable. We enjoy the trip together as much as the destination.
About dually towing. We have a 3/4 ton. We place a high priority on sightseeing after we get to the campground. So navigating small streets and finding parking are important to us.
We would like a bigger trailer, but will not go above 11,000 GVWR with a single axle. That's just us. The only thing we would have changed is to get a 1 ton single axle, so we could safely pull a (slightly) heavier trailer.
Just be safe, check your loaded weights on a scale, and enjoy.
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12-05-2024, 02:37 PM
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#38
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 358
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I brought a GMC 3500 2021 Denali 3500 dually. I had always had SRW, 2500 or 3500. But I got such a good deal on the truck that I couldn’t turn the truck down besides the 2020 that I had was a lemon that GM paid me to keep the Silverado. I was on this narrow road and speeding and I slapped mirrors with another truck, probably a Ram with extended mirrors. $1600 bucks. I didn’t even slow down as I had did this same thing a few years ago and the Highway Patrol said they couldn’t tell who was at fault. So I kept going. A dually is hard to turn around but I can pull a tank, the fuel mileage is a little worse but it’s paid for and I’m too old to buy another new truck. I pay my Cedar Creek off next month, no more bills. I kind of like the dually but if I got in a bad accident I would a buy a used SRW
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12-05-2024, 03:54 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2024
Location: Grand Mesa, Colorado
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spock12
I brought a GMC 3500 2021 Denali 3500 dually. I had always had SRW, 2500 or 3500. But I got such a good deal on the truck that I couldn’t turn the truck down besides the 2020 that I had was a lemon that GM paid me to keep the Silverado. I was on this narrow road and speeding and I slapped mirrors with another truck, probably a Ram with extended mirrors. $1600 bucks. I didn’t even slow down as I had did this same thing a few years ago and the Highway Patrol said they couldn’t tell who was at fault. So I kept going.
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"on this narrow road and speeding"
I feel sorry for the other guy.
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12-05-2024, 04:31 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MooseCountry
"on this narrow road and speeding"
I feel sorry for the other guy.
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When I was working I took this road a lot and very few people used this road, if you broke down on this road you walked. Anyway the other guy was on my side but you can’t prove it. If I had not pulled to the right he would have hit me. I normally speed except when I’m pulling the fifth wheel, then I normally drive 63. I don’t park at the front of a pace of business, I normally park at the back. A dually is hard to get into tight spaces. If it’s tight I normally pull my mirrors in and let DW help me get in the spot. On the road that I live on I’m going to start folding my mirrors in. The dually pulls about anything but I had rather have a SWR.
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12-05-2024, 04:45 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2024
Location: Grand Mesa, Colorado
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Gives me a reason to love our new 2024 Ram 3500 4x4 SWR for driving our rural Rocky Mountain roads that we live off of. Don't think I would want a DWR due to the narrow roads on sheer cliffs. Drove our Ram 2500 4x4 Power Wagon on the road from the Roan Plateau. Never feel too comfortable just 18 inches from the edge. I wouldn't want anything wider to use here.
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12-05-2024, 10:42 PM
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#42
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 3,094
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spock12
I brought a GMC 3500 2021 Denali 3500 dually. I had always had SRW, 2500 or 3500. But I got such a good deal on the truck that I couldn’t turn the truck down besides the 2020 that I had was a lemon that GM paid me to keep the Silverado. I was on this narrow road and speeding and I slapped mirrors with another truck, probably a Ram with extended mirrors. $1600 bucks. I didn’t even slow down as I had did this same thing a few years ago and the Highway Patrol said they couldn’t tell who was at fault. So I kept going. A dually is hard to turn around but I can pull a tank, the fuel mileage is a little worse but it’s paid for and I’m too old to buy another new truck. I pay my Cedar Creek off next month, no more bills. I kind of like the dually but if I got in a bad accident I would a buy a used SRW
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Mirrors stick out exactly the same on a DRW or a SRW, at least on every one that I've ever seen or measured. I don't see what you'd have gained with a SRW there, other than the need to go even faster.
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Originally Posted by MooseCountry
Gives me a reason to love our new 2024 Ram 3500 4x4 SWR for driving our rural Rocky Mountain roads that we live off of. Don't think I would want a DWR due to the narrow roads on sheer cliffs. Drove our Ram 2500 4x4 Power Wagon on the road from the Roan Plateau. Never feel too comfortable just 18 inches from the edge. I wouldn't want anything wider to use here.
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I've driven places with the outer DRW partially off the edge. The DRW inner wheel rides a bit more inward than a SRW does, so it affords you margin of safety either way. I've actually driven 2 places where the DRW allowed me to move on where it would have been "iffy'' with a SRW. The DRW allowed to go over much larger crevices and gaps in the "road" I was on.
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2011 GMC Sierra 3500HD gas 6.0 dually
1994 K1500 Suburban shop mule and plow truck
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