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12-06-2024, 06:49 AM
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I wouldn't have admitted to speeding and driving away from something like that regardless of who is at fault. Kind of a jerk move quite frankly.
The mirrors are exactly the same regardless of 3/4 or 1 ton and DRW vs SRW so if you slapped them with the DRW you'd do the same with the SRW.
I've put my dually into some spaces that a lot of folks would cringe at, and been just fine with it. A DRW will fit through the passenger car lane at six flags, for example. The rear fenders will clear with about 1/2" on each side if you do it right.
The biggest limitation to a DRW is the operator, not the truck itself. If you can't drive a big truck, don't get one. They're not built for speed. Drive it with some common sense and it will do fine.
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12-06-2024, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by spock12
I brought a GMC 3500 2021 Denali 3500 dually. I had always had SRW, 2500 or 3500. But I got such a good deal on the truck that I couldn’t turn the truck down besides the 2020 that I had was a lemon that GM paid me to keep the Silverado. I was on this narrow road and speeding and I slapped mirrors with another truck, probably a Ram with extended mirrors. $1600 bucks. I didn’t even slow down as I had did this same thing a few years ago and the Highway Patrol said they couldn’t tell who was at fault. So I kept going. A dually is hard to turn around but I can pull a tank, the fuel mileage is a little worse but it’s paid for and I’m too old to buy another new truck. I pay my Cedar Creek off next month, no more bills. I kind of like the dually but if I got in a bad accident I would a buy a used SRW
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Originally Posted by spock12
When I was working I took this road a lot and very few people used this road, if you broke down on this road you walked. Anyway the other guy was on my side but you can’t prove it. If I had not pulled to the right he would have hit me. I normally speed except when I’m pulling the fifth wheel, then I normally drive 63. I don’t park at the front of a pace of business, I normally park at the back. A dually is hard to get into tight spaces. If it’s tight I normally pull my mirrors in and let DW help me get in the spot. On the road that I live on I’m going to start folding my mirrors in. The dually pulls about anything but I had rather have a SWR.
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Sounds like I don't ever want to meet you on a narrow road!! I doubt that you were in actually in your lane also. Probably never occurred to you to SLOW DOWN!
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12-07-2024, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by kdauto
The title of the thread is for 5th wheel pulling. I think that there is no contest when comparing SRW with DRW for that application, a DRW is super stable.
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the only reason it feels more stable is due to the leaf spring packs. because they are rated for higher weight they have heavier springs, the mounting points and shocks are all the same , and yes there is a extra 4 or so inches of width in the tires but the extra spring is what makes it more stable. for 99% of the people towing under their payload capacity though this doesn't matter unless you have a solid 5th wheel hitch. my 5th wheel will rock on the hitches axis and the truck doesnt move at all. plus if you look under 99% of the 4x4 SRW truck there is no rear sway bar so the addition of this can make it feel just like a DRW (not increase the weight capacity but increase the stability at capacity) also the stable loads and stuff can do wonders for the feel. I only found these things out as I also haul a camper with my truck, you want to talk about where you will notice if your suspension needs help
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12-07-2024, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Stircrazy1
the only reason it feels more stable is due to the leaf spring packs. because they are rated for higher weight they have heavier springs, the mounting points and shocks are all the same , and yes there is a extra 4 or so inches of width in the tires but the extra spring is what makes it more stable. for 99% of the people towing under their payload capacity though this doesn't matter unless you have a solid 5th wheel hitch. my 5th wheel will rock on the hitches axis and the truck doesnt move at all. plus if you look under 99% of the 4x4 SRW truck there is no rear sway bar so the addition of this can make it feel just like a DRW (not increase the weight capacity but increase the stability at capacity) also the stable loads and stuff can do wonders for the feel. I only found these things out as I also haul a camper with my truck, you want to talk about where you will notice if your suspension needs help 
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Your "only reason" theory seems to overlook the fact that DRW trucks' tires have 4 extra sidewalls supporting them in the rear. Brace the axle all you want, it won't eliminate tire sidewall flex. 100% more sidewalls and an extra 4,000# of tire capacity work to reduce rear tire squirm and add to stability. You can't discount that.
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12-07-2024, 10:28 AM
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12-07-2024, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by CecilD
Your "only reason" theory seems to overlook the fact that DRW trucks' tires have 4 extra sidewalls supporting them in the rear. Brace the axle all you want, it won't eliminate tire sidewall flex. 100% more sidewalls and an extra 4,000# of tire capacity work to reduce rear tire squirm and add to stability. You can't discount that.
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The simple physics of the wider stance plays a part as well.
Stand with your legs close together with your shoes touching each other vs. 2'apart.
All other components being equal standing with a wider stance produces lots of stability.
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12-07-2024, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Lantley
The simple physics of the wider stance plays a part as well.
Stand with your legs close together with your shoes touching each other vs. 2'apart.
All other components being equal standing with a wider stance produces lots of stability.
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Exactly! The wider stance plus the extra weight capability of the two extra tires makes a HUGE difference.
I used to haul my cabover camper on a 1-ton SRW. But a few trips on off-camber dirt roads scared the begeezus out of me so I went to a dually. MUCH more stable. Powerful crosswinds and those off-camber side hill roads are no longer a problem.
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12-07-2024, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Lantley
The simple physics of the wider stance plays a part as well.
Stand with your legs close together with your shoes touching each other vs. 2'apart.
All other components being equal standing with a wider stance produces lots of stability.
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Agree, but an overstated example. How bout standing with feet 1' apart vrs 2'.
Stircrazy mentioned the huge difference a stabilizer bar makes on a SRW. This is very true, using his TC, but a FW, not so much.
A newish SRW with 7,500 lb, rated tires at 80 psi will not have a squishy feel. A DRW with smaller tires/wheels, still has more stability, best choice if your rig truly requires it.
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12-07-2024, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MFL
Agree, but an overstated example. How bout standing with feet 1' apart vrs 2'.
Stircrazy mentioned the huge difference a stabilizer bar makes on a SRW. This is very true, using his TC, but a FW, not so much.
A newish SRW with 7,500 lb, rated tires at 80 psi will not have a squishy feel. A DRW with smaller tires/wheels, still has more stability, best choice if your rig truly requires it.
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A dually adds 2' width to the stance of the truck. 1' each side
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12-07-2024, 01:26 PM
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@Lantley
You were comparing a man standing feet together, then 2' apart. Not even close to same, as truck comparison. But for sake of argument, you changed back to truck.
Let me help you; a DRW also sits lower than a SRW, making it more stable.
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12-07-2024, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Stircrazy1
the only reason it feels more stable is due to the leaf spring packs. because they are rated for higher weight they have heavier springs, the mounting points and shocks are all the same , and yes there is a extra 4 or so inches of width in the tires but the extra spring is what makes it more stable. for 99% of the people towing under their payload capacity though this doesn't matter unless you have a solid 5th wheel hitch. my 5th wheel will rock on the hitches axis and the truck doesnt move at all. plus if you look under 99% of the 4x4 SRW truck there is no rear sway bar so the addition of this can make it feel just like a DRW (not increase the weight capacity but increase the stability at capacity) also the stable loads and stuff can do wonders for the feel. I only found these things out as I also haul a camper with my truck, you want to talk about where you will notice if your suspension needs help 
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I'll just rehash what the others have posted. There is simply no comparison in stability SRW vs DRW. A DRW doesn't just add 4" or so, it's closer to 2' extra width right where the pin weight is. It adds 2x the "firmness" and stability, extra sidewalls etc.
When a 60 km/h crosswind gust hits that large sail of a 5th wheel, it'll eventually transfer to the truck, even with a pivoting hitch. My Curt Q24 hitch pivots but you can feel weight transfer. I've towed in ridiculous crosswinds that would likely have scared the bejeezus out of me towing with a SRW truck. I felt in control.
Brakes are not necessarily the same either. There are larger rear brakes on my DRW vs the same 3500HD SRW.
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12-07-2024, 03:16 PM
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I did not read all the posts, but what's more important to you: safety when towing a costly trailer that weighs more than your tow vehicle and the lives of those inside the cab with you. Or, your comfort driving back and forth to work every day. Answer that question and you have your answer.
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12-07-2024, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DutchmenSport
I did not read all the posts, but what's more important to you: safety when towing a costly trailer that weighs more than your tow vehicle and the lives of those inside the cab with you. Or, your comfort driving back and forth to work every day. Answer that question and you have your answer.
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Many of us would likely say safety fuel economy and comfort are all important so we buy SRW pickups for fivers under 16k lbs and get duals for heavier fivers.
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12-07-2024, 07:10 PM
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#56
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Location: Howard County,MD
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Originally Posted by MFL
@Lantley
You were comparing a man standing feet together, then 2' apart. Not even close to same, as truck comparison. But for sake of argument, you changed back to truck.
Let me help you; a DRW also sits lower than a SRW, making it more stable.
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I get it.
But man or truck a wider stance will be more stable.
We may not be able to simulate a truck stance, wide vs. narrow.
But hopefully we can simulate and understand standing with feet close together vs. 2 ft. apart
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