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SmokeyWren · 04-05-2015, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by C130

I've never heard there are two different versions but do know you can get them without the bed. Where did you hear the frames are different?

Common knowledge among truck people. All pickups, including the F-450 pickups, have a "wide" frame around 37" wide. All chassis cab trucks (regardless of brand) have a "narrow" frame around 34" wide. So an upfitter bed designed for a chassis cab truck will not fit on a pickup without some major fabrication work. And a "wide" pickup bed will not fit on a "narrow" chassis cab truck without some extensive modifications to the mounting hardware.

I don't have the specs for the latest models, so I'll use 2009 as the example of the frame specs.

Frame for 2009 SuperDuty CrewCab F-450 pickup =
6.87 x 2.36 x 2.64 in. and section modulus 6.7 cu. in.

Frame for 2009 F450 Chassis cab CrewCab with 176.2" wheelbase =
7.50 x 2.74 x 3.20 in. and section modulus 10.1 cu.in.

So yep, the frame on an F-450 chassis cab truck is a lot thicker and heavier and slightly narrower than the frame on an F-450 pickup.

C130 · 04-05-2015, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyWren

Common knowledge among truck people. All pickups, including the F-450 pickups, have a "wide" frame around 37" wide. All chassis cab trucks (regardless of brand) have a "narrow" frame around 34" wide. So an upfitter bed designed for a chassis cab truck will not fit on a pickup without some major fabrication work. And a "wide" pickup bed will not fit on a "narrow" chassis cab truck without some extensive modifications to the mounting hardware.

I don't have the specs for the latest models, so I'll use 2009 as the example of the frame specs.

Frame for 2009 SuperDuty CrewCab F-450 pickup =
6.87 x 2.36 x 2.64 in. and section modulus 6.7 cu. in.

Frame for 2009 F450 Chassis cab CrewCab with 176.2" wheelbase =
7.50 x 2.74 x 3.20 in. and section modulus 10.1 cu.in.

So yep, the frame on an F-450 chassis cab truck is a lot thicker and heavier and slightly narrower than the frame on an F-450 pickup.

Well, I guess I'm not a "truck person" as I'm an airplane person but I'm well aware there is a chassis model and a pickup mode and nowhere did I state differently. I grew up in Tennessee and have lived in Tennessee, Texas, and Arkansas so I'm pretty familiar with trucks but definitely not an expert. I stated, or was trying to state which evidently I didn't do very well, that I didn't know there were two different pickup models of the F450 which is what I thought someone else stated. I was referring to the 2015 F450 pickup model which is what I own. I also know the 2015 F450, which is what I was referring to, is very different than the years you posted. I also understand there's an F350 and and F350 with max tow. I'll let those interested or care read about the 2015 F450, it's not the same as the 2014 or before. This isn't meant to be an argument so don't want it to sound that way, I was just discussing the F450 pickup as I have zero interest in the chassis model and apologize if I wasn't clear.

All I know is I bought what I wanted and if I wanted a chassis model I would have bought one. I use my F450 as a daily driver and also haul another trailer as my son and I are in to dirt bikes so need a pickup.

Scottybdivin · 04-06-2015, 05:46 AM

The C&C versions of the F350/450/550 have derated diesel engines as well. The 6.7L in the C&C is only rated at 300HP / 660 ft lbs whereas the same engine in the pickups is rated at 440HP / 860 ft lbs. They also have significantly lower GCWR's and tow ratings, than their pickup equals.

Big B · 04-06-2015, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by C130

Was that part of the Government bail out? Just kidding, I just couldn't resist and seriously, just a joke. Dodge/RAM has stepped it up and makes some nice looking vehicles for sure. I didn't even go drive one because I was afraid I'd like it, my family would disown me.

I almost waited to see what they Ford did with the 2016 Super Duty's but heard rumors they weren't changing them until 2017. Ford needs to update their interiors for sure though I love my King Ranch interior. The dash needs to be updates I guess, lots of plastic seems to be the complaint. But, it's easy to clean and take care of. LED lighting also needs to be an option which I think will come with the update like the new F150's. I was told the frame would be partial aluminum, not all.

I ran into a Ford engineer last year in my search for a F350 DW and he told me they were going to be going to an aluminum body like the F150 in 2016. Not sure about F450. He didn't mention the frame.

wingnut60 · 04-06-2015, 11:52 AM

You might have been talking to the engineer in charge of the 6.0Ls, LOL.
The '16s are available to place orders and they definitely are not aluminum-bodied--'17s yet to have any rumors substantiated that I have read.
Joe

C130 · 04-06-2015, 01:27 PM

I think maybe it was in the works for 2016 but maybe it's just being delayed. A former neighbor works for Ford and I still see him occasionally. He basically told me the same thing but said it wasn't confirmed yet. That was a few months ago. Same discussion on some ford Superduty forums a while back and last I read it was looking more like 2017 for the big changes.

Any changes confirmed on the 2016's?