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Massparanoia · 07-30-2021, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LanceKeys

You can purchase a suburban with a 3.0l diesel, that is what they were talking about, not the 3.5.

I’ve had a suburban 5.3 and a expedition 3.5 if I were to get one to tow with, it would be the expedition for sure! That 3.5 ecoboost has great low end torque.

I wouldn’t get the 3.0 Duramax because of the belt driven oil pump

Toby Dog · 07-31-2021, 05:02 AM

Since the trailer's numbers are still out there as a variable at least buy the TT first so you can get some real data. By the time you get 5 people, a dog, and a lot of "stuff" in either one of those SUV choices plus the tongue weight from the TT it will be doing the Carolina Squat
The TT empty weight will be a myth, go by the TT GVWR when you are doing the math.

shane_the_ee · 07-31-2021, 11:12 AM

Pay very close attention to payload and max tongue weight ratings. Before buying the Expedition, I considered a Yukon Denali XL because everyone raved about the awesomeness of the 6.2L V8. It’s a pretty awesome engine, but the payload on those was about 200lbs less than my Expedition. (If the newer Suburbans match the Expeditions, let us know and I’ll make a case for the 3.5L eco boost. But if they’re significantly in tongue weight and/or payload, the engine difference won’t make up for it.)

puttin · 07-31-2021, 01:51 PM

A little off topic...Do the new Expeditions have load leveling? Our 2014 has it. It's mechanical not air...and no Carolina Squat- what the heck is that anyway?

tuffr2 · 08-01-2021, 07:14 AM

These two SUV's are as close as you can get if you get the 6.2 in the GM vehicle. I lean toward Ford and the 3.5 Eco-Boost but that is just me.

Like mentioned the 6.2 needs premium fuel. That is a huge bummer.

The 3.5 Eco-Boost will pull better and especially at higher elevations.

shane_the_ee · 08-01-2021, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2

These two SUV's are as close as you can get if you get the 6.2 in the GM vehicle. I lean toward Ford and the 3.5 Eco-Boost but that is just me.

Like mentioned the 6.2 needs premium fuel. That is a huge bummer.

The 3.5 Eco-Boost will pull better and especially at higher elevations.

The 6.2 comes with a big payload hit; if you skip the sunroof on the Expedition, they payload is a little over 1800lbs. A 2015-2020 6.2L equipped Yukon XL has a payload between 1400 and 1500lbs.
Also, while 3.5 Ecoboost doesn’t require premium, Ford does recommend it while towing. Fortunately premium does provide better gas mileage so the cost differential is usually negligible.

Toby Dog · 08-02-2021, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by puttin

A little off topic...Do the new Expeditions have load leveling? Our 2014 has it. It's mechanical not air...and no Carolina Squat- what the heck is that anyway?

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...SBDbsjQD30l56M

MJK2627 · 08-03-2021, 08:58 PM

Thanks everyone.

str8shuutr45 · 08-09-2021, 05:01 AM

From experience, I would look at alternatives to the big SUV- a passenger van perhaps?
I just traded a ‘20 GMC Yukon Denali XL w/18K mi for a ‘21 RAM 2500 diesel. We own a Forrest River Vibe 25RK and found that even using an Equal-I-Zer WD hitch, we had sway at over 50 MPH. I tried everything I could think of to move gear around. I think the problem was 2 fold - too much hitch weight (my hitch weight, measured using a hitch weight scale, was 900#)and too heavy a rear end as the rear kitchen puts a lot of weight on the rear end of the TT. I never travel with water in my tanks so that wasn’t an issue either. Due to the low GCVW of the Yukon XL, we decided to pack very lightly choosing to go grocery shopping after arriving at the campsite.
My recommendation is to look very closely at the numbers of the SUV and the TT. The short wheel base may give you issues too. My Yukon XL had a max tow weight of 7900#! The Denali have way too many electric motors on board and other things that add to creature comfort but subtract from GVW.

Bowtie Jim · 08-09-2021, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Massparanoia

The ecoboost is going to tow much better than the 5.3. And GM is currently having a huge problem with broken/bent pushrods in the V8 engines.

Not a HUGE problem.
It's only a handful of the 6.2's.
They took care of the issue.

Guys like you spewing bad information aren't helpful at all on here.

Bowtie Jim · 08-09-2021, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Massparanoia

I wouldn’t get the 3.0 Duramax because of the belt driven oil pump

Again?

Toby Dog · 08-10-2021, 05:05 AM

I think his site handle explains it.

tuffr2 · 08-10-2021, 05:55 AM

If you can get a 1,800lb payload on the Expedition without a sunroof that just might be the winner. Compare the wheelbase on both SUV's. If the wheelbase is also longer case closed.

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Ted Lambert · 08-11-2021, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SGhost

Just be careful and do the numbers, ALL the numbers based on the trailer you're thinking about. Also, DO NOT listen to the salesman (either one). THey're are many very experienced people on this board that can steer you in the right direction when it comes to what you can safely tow to avoid the white knuckle experience.

I agree if the book says 9000# I would expect to tow 7000#
Never tow at the max!
However I had a salesman tell me the truck I bought rated at 11000# should be quite happy at 8000#
Most salesman are lower than a snakes belly in a wagon rut. But not this guy!