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Old 06-24-2020, 09:57 AM   #1
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TFL - Andre' reviews gas Ford and Ram 3/4 ton

This is a fairly in depth look at two gas trucks Ford and Ram. I watched the whole video and learned a few minor things. Now, I do like Andre' so that made the lengthy video tolerable. No towing was done in this video.

Things I learned:

1. Lifting a truck and putting big tires on it really affects mpg by about 2 mpg. 15.5 mpg vs 13.5mpg lifted. I always wondered what the differece would be.

2. The Ram Laramie with a 6.4 hemi cost 71k. So now I know a gas engined truck is expensive.

3. 2019 Ram now has a ZF 8 speed transmission.

4. Andre' has the Ram in Indiana but will be taking it to Colorado for the Ike Gauntlet tow test.

To me, it is a bummer he did not also have the 2020 GM truck to review. I do anticipate seeing a tow test with all 3 gas trucks.

https://youtu.be/vR8G6XHeOKk
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Old 06-24-2020, 12:17 PM   #2
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From my experience I would stay away from those air suspension models on the Rams. Itís great while itís working, but expensive to repair, if you know whatís causing the issue. Been down that road, never again.
But the 1/2 ton trucks need to step up the mpgís, or we will all be driving 3/4 tons.
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Half ton drivers are those who most of the time dont tow. Once a year maybe, or a lumber trip to the hardware store. Or a soccer mom who wont drive a minivan.
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Old 06-25-2020, 10:35 AM   #4
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Half ton drivers are those who most of the time dont tow. Once a year maybe, or a lumber trip to the hardware store. Or a soccer mom who wont drive a minivan.


We use our 2017 Ram 1/2 ton for a lot of hauling and towing. Probably more than 75% of the 3/4 ton truck owners.
Use it for hauling loads for extended long trips. Tows our 5,500 lb trailer like a knife thru soft butter. Put on 40k miles in 2.5 years, and except for the air suspension went nuts, and couldnít figure out the correct ride height, itís been a decent truck. Probably overloaded it a few times.
Wouldnít mind jumping up to a 3/4 ton gasser, and the Ram with the 6.4 and 8 speed tranny would make a good choice. Will say the 8 speed ZF tranny in my current truck works flawlessly, one of the best Iíve ever driven, towing or not.
Looking forward to his video on the drive back to CO, and the trucks mpgís.
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I'm not a TFL fan at all, but Ram did score big on the JD Power survey of complains during the first 90 days of ownership. They blew the doors off Lexus. Ford did worse than average. A bit disappointing. As an aside, Tesla refused to supply data in several states. I can't imagine how crappy their score would be if all states submitted the data, just like the other manufacturers did.


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This is a fairly in depth look at two gas trucks Ford and Ram. I watched the whole video and learned a few minor things. Now, I do like Andre' so that made the lengthy video tolerable. No towing was done in this video.

Things I learned:

1. Lifting a truck and putting big tires on it really affects mpg by about 2 mpg. 15.5 mpg vs 13.5mpg lifted. I always wondered what the differece would be.

2. The Ram Laramie with a 6.4 hemi cost 71k. So now I know a gas engined truck is expensive.

3. 2019 Ram now has a ZF 8 speed transmission.

4. Andre' has the Ram in Indiana but will be taking it to Colorado for the Ike Gauntlet tow test.

To me, it is a bummer he did not also have the 2020 GM truck to review. I do anticipate seeing a tow test with all 3 gas trucks.

https://youtu.be/vR8G6XHeOKk
I bought the 2019 Laramie 2500hd 6.4 hemi gasser for 55k so they can be had for under 60k
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Mtn. Lion - I kinda agree about TFL as most of their presenters I can not watch. I do like Andre' and Tommy (Roman's son).

What YouTube channels do you like?
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Can't wait to see the 6.4 w/8spd up the Ike. It should be a nice recovery from the poor performance the 6.4 w/6spd had a few years ago.

Interesting to hear about the airbag problems. I generally hate things that try to think for me and would never opt for automatic bags. If I needed/wanted them I'd be more than happy to run an aftermarket set that I can control 100%.
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I agree, Ram 8 speed 6.4 vs Ford 10 speed 7.3 vs GM 6 speed 6.6.

One of these trucks will be my next truck.
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Half ton drivers are those who most of the time dont tow. Once a year maybe, or a lumber trip to the hardware store. Or a soccer mom who wont drive a minivan.
This opinion seems about 20 years out of date, for several reasons.
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Would someone truly buy a vehicle based on how quick it tows a trailer up the ike? Personally looks and comforts are what I am attracted to, powerplant as well but not which has the fastest time up a hill. I get it’s bragging rights but what’s the point otherwise?
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Jack - I think you are right. When I had a half ton truck I used it all the time to tow my 5,000lb travel trailer and my 3,500lb boat. I also drove the truck to work. I also used it to pull out small shrubs, carry firewood, carry stone and playground saw dust.

The current 150/1500 series trucks can tow 6,500lbs. comfortably and the GM trucks can probably tow 7,500lbs. comfortably.

There are a bunch of nice trailer trailers these trucks can tow. One slide and 28 foot for the most part.
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I get itís bragging rights but whatís the point otherwise?
Arguing on message boards with people I don't know and will likely never meet

Actually, I am watching the Ram 6.4 because it did terrible with the 6spd tranny (and I happen to own this truck) and I'm curious how much better the 8spd will do since someday I'll likely be in the market for a new truck. I tow heavy (11K 5th wheel) and out west with hills so it's actually pretty relevant to my situation.
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Andre' currently is driving the Ram 8 speed truck from Indiana to Colorado. So he will post a mpg video of that trip. My understanding of more speeds are:

1. Better fuel economy
2. Better towing as the truck will spend more time in it's max power band.

I do not fully understand the move from a 6 speed to a 10 speed and why not from 6 speed to an 8 speed.
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