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Dave Pelletier · 05-24-2023, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2

The 7.3 Godzilla engine in a dually would be a better balanced machine. Instead of the diesel engine putting 5,000lbs on the front axle and 4,000,lbs on the rear axle I think the gas engine would be better balanced.

I am thinking the 7.3 gas engine would put 4,200lbs on the front axle and 3,800lbs on the rear axle.

It would be interesting to see how close I am. I am thinking the gas dually would be 1,000 lbs. lighter than the diesel dually.

My diesel dually wore out front tires fast.

better balanced empty....but not hauling/towing heavy.

tuffr2 · 05-24-2023, 02:29 PM

I agree you want a diesel for towing heavy. I think heavy starts close to 15,000lbs. Now heavy for a hot shot guy is 35,000lbs as I watch 'Danger Industries' on YouTube. Yikes that guy puts trucks through a test. Up mountains too.

If I had a 12,000lb 5th wheel I would pick the 7.3 Godzilla engine. If I had a 24,000lb 5th wheel (like a New Horizon or Luxe) I would pick a diesel engine.

Rhagfo · 05-26-2023, 12:55 AM

Well going from a GVWR of 12,190# to one with a GVWR of 16,600# is an increase of about 4,500#. Both trailers only have a about a 2.100# payload capacity, for 5th wheels that are about 40'.

My first question is have you weighed your current setup? What are your weights?
A payload of 2,100# for 40' 5th wheel is very low, it is my assumption that you will be very close to maxing out the trailer payload.

Your best choice for a TV would be a one ton, diesel, DRW. While the Ford Godzilla may do the job, but you may not be happy with the experience.

JIMNLIN · 05-26-2023, 06:53 AM

Ford Super Duty LDTs Gas vs diesel base axle weights can be found on Fleet Fords spec website for those interested .
Looking at 2023 F350 drw rear axle weights show a range of 37 lbs up to 126 lbs advantage for the 7.3 vs the 6.7 diesel....depending on cab and 2wd vs 4wd selections. Not enough to worry about.
AS delivered to the customer LDTs can have different actual rear axle weights.

The big difference is in front axle weights which isn't a concern as trailer hitch loads adds little if any front axle weight on a pickup truck .

mto502 · 05-26-2023, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JIMNLIN

Ford Super Duty LDTs Gas vs diesel base axle weights can be found on Fleet Fords spec website for those interested .
Looking at 2023 F350 drw rear axle weights show a range of 37 lbs up to 126 lbs advantage for the 7.3 vs the 6.7 diesel....depending on cab and 2wd vs 4wd selections. Not enough to worry about.
AS delivered to the customer LDTs can have different actual rear axle weights.

The big difference is in front axle weights which isn't a concern as trailer hitch loads adds little if any front axle weight on a pickup truck .

It's the payload that is the bigger difference between the gas and diesel. My 2022 F350 Lariat Ultimate DRW 4x4 has a 6200 lb payload.

tuffr2 · 05-26-2023, 08:04 AM

Holy smokes - you serious a 6,200lb payload. I need to get out more.

mto502 · 05-26-2023, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2

Holy smokes - you serious a 6,200lb payload. I need to get out more.

I may have exaggerated a little. It's actually 6187 lbs.

kdauto · 05-26-2023, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2

Holy smokes - you serious a 6,200lb payload. I need to get out more.

It makes sense since the newer DRWs have 14k GVWR. My 13k GVWR dually has a payload of 5555lbs. Adding lots of equipment and accessories can quickly eat away at that though. I can easily see 700-800lbs amputated from that number in many cases.

Dave Pelletier · 05-26-2023, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mto502

It's the payload that is the bigger difference between the gas and diesel. My 2022 F350 Lariat Ultimate DRW 4x4 has a 6200 lb payload.

True enough; luckily for me the 5,500 lb payload in my diesel is more than enough for anything I do.

Dave

Dave Pelletier · 05-26-2023, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kdauto

It makes sense since the newer DRWs have 14k GVWR. My 13k GVWR dually has a payload of 5555lbs. Adding lots of equipment and accessories can quickly eat away at that though. I can easily see 700-800lbs amputated from that number in many cases.

Yep, people tend to focus on trailer TW and forget about the box liner, bed mat, rack, hitch, mudflaps, etc. etc. etc. that is added to the typical truck. That's where the typical half ton with 1,600 lbs of payload gets into trouble FAST.

Dave

tuffr2 · 05-26-2023, 09:35 AM

6,187 lb. payload wow. 13 lbs short of 6,200 lbs. is no big deal. I too would say 6,200 lbs.

That would tow any 5th wheel I have ever seen. Even New Horizon.

tuffr2 · 05-27-2023, 12:52 PM

What would you guys say the biggest difference is between a 2005 diesel truck and today's diesel truck?

I would say the power and refinement. They are quiet and more pleasant to drive with better build quality reflected in the cost.

I would look at all the dually trucks from Ram, GM and Ford and pick the one you like the most with the cost and availability.

Cumminsfan · 05-27-2023, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2

What would you guys say the biggest difference is between a 2005 diesel truck and today's diesel truck?

I would say the power and refinement. They are quiet and more pleasant to drive with better build quality reflected in the cost.

I would look at all the dually trucks from Ram, GM and Ford and pick the one you like the most with the cost and availability.

I'd say about $60K MSRP

deserteagle5 · 05-27-2023, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cumminsfan

I'd say about $60K MSRP

That, and never having to worry about DPF, DEF, EGR, regeneration problems. Just a lot less to go wrong with the older trucks, especially the lack of electronic glitches.

Gonna hold on to my 2004 Dodge Cummins for the rest of my life...but I'm old so a few more years!