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Edd505 · 12-17-2021, 08:24 PM

at least he's not going to try towing that with his new eco boost because the salesman said he could.

Kid Gloves · 12-17-2021, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DutchmenSpor

It hard to tell folks they need a heftier truck.

It’s actually easy. What is difficult is getting them to realize that they need a bigger truck.

CecilD · 12-17-2021, 11:11 PM

Nothing to add to previous posts except, "welcome to the forum".

tuffr2 · 12-18-2021, 06:22 AM

The OP does not say if he has a 2005 F-250 or not. If not - that is lucky. The OP needs at least a 350/3500 series truck and probably a dually. I have a 2017 F-250, I am thinking of getting a 10,000 to 12,000 gvwr 5th wheel. Knowing 10,000 lbs wouod be better.

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Rhagfo · 12-18-2021, 06:32 AM

The OP might be a one post wonder. He has not been back in eight days. Either he doesn't like the responses, or is looking for a bigger TV.

Bhidalgo · 12-18-2021, 07:27 AM

I have a 2021 F-250, cargo capacity is 2955 lbs. I have a 3-month old 15k fifth wheel and with everything weighed, added, subtracted, multiplied, etc I am OVER just on pin weight. BUT if I base everything on RAWR I am about 150 LBS under. SO...I just decided to get an F350 instead (Been on order since June) and as such am still waiting to use the RV. DO NOT put excitement over safety. What that truck is rated to pull and what it can safely tow are two totally separate items. Also, you may be able to haul it...but can you stop it safely? Get an F350 or RAM 3500 and stay safe. Just my 2cents...

Dieselguy4 · 12-20-2021, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bhidalgo

I have a 2021 F-250, cargo capacity is 2955 lbs. I have a 3-month old 15k fifth wheel and with everything weighed, added, subtracted, multiplied, etc I am OVER just on pin weight. BUT if I base everything on RAWR I am about 150 LBS under. SO...I just decided to get an F350 instead (Been on order since June) and as such am still waiting to use the RV. DO NOT put excitement over safety. What that truck is rated to pull and what it can safely tow are two totally separate items. Also, you may be able to haul it...but can you stop it safely? Get an F350 or RAM 3500 and stay safe. Just my 2cents...

Outstanding advice. Running a truck at 100 % of it capability is a problem waiting to happen. I had the same problem. I had a 2006 Ram 3500 Mega Cab 4x4 diesel rated to pull 13,400 lbs and had a load capacity of 2600 lbs. My camper weight 13,500 lbs with a pin weight of 2500 lbs. I was over GVWR by 100 Lbs, under GCVWR by 100 lbs and under rear GAWR by 400 lbs. It towed it but after getting pushed through a intersection in a panic stop and pushed around in a cross winds. Bought a 2017 F350 Dually diesel. I am a 55% tow capacity and all weights are well below specs. Had a panic stop and truck hulled the trailer down quick. Cross wind no issues. Buy a big enough truck.

Dave Pelletier · 12-21-2021, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhidalgo

I have a 2021 F-250, cargo capacity is 2955 lbs. I have a 3-month old 15k fifth wheel and with everything weighed, added, subtracted, multiplied, etc I am OVER just on pin weight. BUT if I base everything on RAWR I am about 150 LBS under. SO...I just decided to get an F350 instead (Been on order since June) and as such am still waiting to use the RV. DO NOT put excitement over safety. What that truck is rated to pull and what it can safely tow are two totally separate items. Also, you may be able to haul it...but can you stop it safely? Get an F350 or RAM 3500 and stay safe. Just my 2cents...

good idea and it's always good to be within the ratings. OTOH, be aware that you can equip an F250 and F350 so that they are mechanically identical......nothing different except the badge and door stickers.

Dave

tuffr2 · 12-22-2021, 08:31 PM

Is a F-250 with the camper package and snowplow package the same as a F-350 SRW truck?

Or is any F-250 with airbags the same as a F-350?

Of course - except for the badging.

Hatchee · 12-23-2021, 07:12 AM

Old truck was a 2016 GM 3500HD LB. At the scales I was 200 +- under payload and 500 +- RAWR. Towed like a dream. Came over a pass in Utah with 40 knot gusts....the trailer moved a bit but the truck drove like it was on rails. What's up with all this hysteria about not getting near capacities? If you want a dually just get one, but you don't "need" one if you stay within the capacities and know how to tow. Truck are engineered/built to handle their weighted capacity.

rant over

Dave Pelletier · 12-23-2021, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2

Is a F-250 with the camper package and snowplow package the same as a F-350 SRW truck?

Or is any F-250 with airbags the same as a F-350?

Of course - except for the badging.

As long as you compare the same engine/drivelines; the F250 and F350 are mechanically identical in the Tremor package. To get a non-Tremor F250 to as close as you can get to an F350, yes you have to spec it out appropriately (there are a few different options that get you there; camper package adds stiffer front springs, overloads and rear sway bar (sway bar is optional on the F350 as well); there is also the snow plow prep package, heavy service front suspension package and the combo snowplow/camper package) Also the 4:30 axle ratio gets you the HD Dana rear axle regardless of whether it's an F250 or F350 and independant of engine choice. An F250 with the camper package is mechanically identical except for the rear overload spring and block and it would have the sway bar that isn't standard on the F350

Dave

Edd505 · 12-23-2021, 07:44 PM

For the difference in price after you add all the "options" on an F250 just buy the F350 and get the badge & weight capacity. Just like all the guys buy the F150 eco boost max tow with all the tow options, you can but an F250 and have a real tow vehicle.

Here come all the eco boosters swearing they have the best tow vehicle ever, until the tow with a real HD truck.

Dave Pelletier · 12-24-2021, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Edd505

For the difference in price after you add all the "options" on an F250 just buy the F350 and get the badge & weight capacity. Just like all the guys buy the F150 eco boost max tow with all the tow options, you can but an F250 and have a real tow vehicle.

Here come all the eco boosters swearing they have the best tow vehicle ever, until the tow with a real HD truck.

I agree with you but that analogy is completely wrong; the F150 and F250 are completely different trucks other than a bit of sheet metal - nothing like the F250 vs. F350 which are 99% identical.....in fact, an F250 diesel with the camper package has some heavier duty components than a base F350 gasser (tranny, rear end, etc.)

Yes, I usually recommend people go with the F350 for the badge and sticker if nothing else, though there are compelling reasons for people to go F250 in some areas due to licencing requirements. Here, it's the exact opposite; the F350 is exempt from the luxury tax so it's actually cheaper to go F350.

I'm not telling anyone to buy an F250 over an F350, just pointing out the actual, physical differences so people can make informed decisions.

In case it's not obvious, I'm a "never too much truck" kinda guy and I take the maximum manufacturer's ratings with a very large grain of salt.

Dave

varmonter · 12-24-2021, 09:28 AM

My last truck was an 07 duramax 2500hd.
I bought it to tow our first tt which was 10k.
It was a great truck very dependable.
But after investigating i found it could realistically
Only tow 12.5. Payload was low as it is on all these trucks from this timeframe. If the op is arounnd still
To read all these comments please take it to heart.
Its your families safety thats at stake..