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03-08-2018, 09:02 AM
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well for now we are just using the TT for short trips and seeing how it goes. Just want to be prepared. Thanks everyone
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03-08-2018, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by C2tuck
Get the single rear wheel 1 ton as stated previously. Hardly any difference in cost, if any.
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The identically-equipped F-350 SRW will cost about $1,100 more than the F-250. Based on KBB build&price for new 2017 2wd CrewCab 6.75 bed 6.2L gasser with XL trim and no options:
Invoice MSRP
36,548 38,600 F-350 SRW
35,438 37,425 F250
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1,110 1,175 difference, or a hair over 3%.
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WWW.ford.com build&price has been busted for several weeks now, but KBB prices are usually accurate.
$1,110 extra to get 1,500 pounds more payload is a bargain you don't want to miss.
Look closely at the F-250 compared to the F-350 SRW and you won't see any difference. Same cabin, interior trim, powertrain when equipped with identical trim and options. Unless you're the "Princess and the Pea", you probably won't notice the slightly stiffer ride.
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03-10-2018, 03:04 PM
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Senior Member
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Location: Palm Coast Florida
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Wait, if your 11,000lb trailer is kept at your house and you only want to tow it 5 miles to the local state park on a flat back roads then yes. A 1/2 ton truck can do that.
If you want to tow it on a highway then you need a bigger truck. And like other have said, the difference between a SRW 3/4 ton and a SRW 1 ton is only $1,000 to $1,500 get the 1 ton.
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03-15-2018, 03:25 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 293
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Originally Posted by jim1521
Everything that the others said above is true.
Adding air bags will not increase your payload capacity. They will only help in leveling out/raising the back end.
You're beyond the 1/2-ton with that trailer. If you already have the 1/2-ton (and are stuck with it), you'll need to really go over your numbers to see how bad it is. More than likely, you'll be over on payload as well as the hitch rating (assuming you have a Class IV hitch) by several hundred pounds.
Be honest with yourself as you're looking at those numbers; you and your family will be in that truck while it's towing. Pay VERY close attention to the truck-to-trailer weight ratio. Your trailer is going to weigh more than your truck, so stopping that trailer is going to require some very good trailer brakes.
I just got rid of the 50's technology that was on my 2016 Grand Design trailer (drum brakes) and had disc brakes installed. It made a HUGE difference - and my truck weighs 8,800 lbs fully loaded, so it would stop the trailer even with the drum brakes.
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I doubt your truck weighs 8,800 lbs. It's a Nissan with a small engine.
So, yes, converting your trailer to disc brakes would be a necessity in order for it to stop your truck.
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03-15-2018, 03:37 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokeyWren
The identically-equipped F-350 SRW will cost about $1,100 more than the F-250. Based on KBB build&price for new 2017 2wd CrewCab 6.75 bed 6.2L gasser with XL trim and no options:
Invoice MSRP
36,548 38,600 F-350 SRW
35,438 37,425 F250
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1,110 1,175 difference, or a hair over 3%.
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WWW.ford.com build&price has been busted for several weeks now, but KBB prices are usually accurate.
$1,110 extra to get 1,500 pounds more payload is a bargain you don't want to miss.
Look closely at the F-250 compared to the F-350 SRW and you won't see any difference. Same cabin, interior trim, powertrain when equipped with identical trim and options. Unless you're the "Princess and the Pea", you probably won't notice the slightly stiffer ride.
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Guess I'm the "princess". I test drove a 3/4 and one ton. The coil sprung 3/4 ton was MUCH smoother than the leaf sprung one ton empty.
Tows my rig just fine, and stops it too. Plus, the bed rail is 2 inches lower than the one ton. Truck squats about 2 inches and the truck and trailer sit level.
All points to consider.
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03-15-2018, 09:32 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Oregon
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Originally Posted by 1bigmess
And if you think for even one second about getting a 3/4 ton, seriously consider the small price difference for a one ton. That trailer is gonna have a heavy hitch weight, and you'll have a larger weight limit cushion now, and possibly for the future if you go bigger.
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I 2nd that. I wish I did the same. The price difference is minor. In a ram the MSRP price different is $800. Invoice price difference would be smaller. Seems that 3500 are in less demand than 2500's, at least around here. Which could make the price difference zero.
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03-15-2018, 10:57 AM
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Member
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokeyWren
The identically-equipped F-350 SRW will cost about $1,100 more than the F-250. Based on KBB build&price for new 2017 2wd CrewCab 6.75 bed 6.2L gasser with XL trim and no options:
Invoice MSRP
36,548 38,600 F-350 SRW
35,438 37,425 F250
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1,110 1,175 difference, or a hair over 3%.
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WWW.ford.com build&price has been busted for several weeks now, but KBB prices are usually accurate.
$1,110 extra to get 1,500 pounds more payload is a bargain you don't want to miss.
Look closely at the F-250 compared to the F-350 SRW and you won't see any difference. Same cabin, interior trim, powertrain when equipped with identical trim and options. Unless you're the "Princess and the Pea", you probably won't notice the slightly stiffer ride.
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To add to this, the only difference between an identically equipped F-250 and an F-350 (at least 2017 and up) is the rear spring. The 250 is intentionally pegged at 10K GVWR because many states use that as the cut off between non-commercial/commercial registration, which also can affect insurance. Although it doesn't change your legal limits or the door sticker, dropping the 350 spring package in a 250 would make them identical...so yes, be smarter than me and pay the $1100 to Ford for the 350.
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03-15-2018, 11:12 AM
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Location: Oregon
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Originally Posted by morleyz
To add to this, the only difference between an identically equipped F-250 and an F-350 (at least 2017 and up) is the rear spring. The 250 is intentionally pegged at 10K GVWR because many states use that as the cut off between non-commercial/commercial registration, which also can affect insurance. Although it doesn't change your legal limits or the door sticker, dropping the 350 spring package in a 250 would make them identical...so yes, be smarter than me and pay the $1100 to Ford for the 350.
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From what I have heard, in the 2017+ Fords the rear axle is different from the 250 to 350. It was discussed in another thread here.
According to the ford brochure you can have the F250 in 9900GVWR or 10000GVWR. The F350 has at least 6 different GVWR variations. So many variations just for registration? And if it's just for registration purposes only why not just list towing and payload ratings all the same?
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03-15-2018, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by archer75
From what I have heard, in the 2017+ Fords the rear axle is different from the 250 to 350. It was discussed in another thread here.
According to the ford brochure you can have the F250 in 9900GVWR or 10000GVWR. The F350 has at least 6 different GVWR variations. So many variations just for registration? And if it's just for registration purposes only why not just list towing and payload ratings all the same?
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I took your point, but to be precise: payload would affect GVWR, so they couldn't list towing and payload ratings the same.
Sorry, sometimes I catch the details and sometimes I don't.
Ken
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03-16-2018, 10:04 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 31
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ok guys so I'm not in the market for a new truck so I'll have to buy used and would like to stick to gas engine, so are there any motors/transmissions I should avoid?
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03-16-2018, 05:24 PM
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#25
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: HillBilly country, Smokey Mtns
Posts: 4,171
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 96 Softail
Guess I'm the "princess". I test drove a 3/4 and one ton. The coil sprung 3/4 ton was MUCH smoother than the leaf sprung one ton empty.
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Your comments do not apply to a Ford F-350 SRW. The F-350 SRW has the same type of rear suspension as the F-250, but more weight rating.
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03-16-2018, 06:19 PM
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#26
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 293
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokeyWren
Your comments do not apply to a Ford F-350 SRW. The F-350 SRW has the same type of rear suspension as the F-250, but more weight rating.
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Check my signature. I don’t drive a Ford.
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03-16-2018, 06:30 PM
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#27
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Senior Member
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Rigby, Idaho
Posts: 3,936
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You tow vehicle has to do more than (1) have the power to pull. It also has to (2) have bigger brakes stop it in the event that your trailer brakes fail, not unheard of. It has to (3) support it; have the suspension to carry the weight and not bottom out, not have your headlights pointed to where the eagles dare. Finally, it has to (4) cool itself, meaning big mondo coolers for oil and coolant in the engine and tranny. Your half ton will fall short in several of these, and once you get it up to speed in all four areas, that 3/4 ton would have been alot cheaper. IMHO...
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03-19-2018, 08:39 AM
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#28
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Member
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 31
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I understand the need for a 3/4 ton or Ton, but I'm not going to buy new so I'm wondering if there are gas engines and transmissions I should avoid or look for when buying thanks
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