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Old 10-21-2020, 10:40 PM   #1
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Towing Newbie with 1/2 ton

New the camper towing, trying to get some info on what i can tow with my truck

My truck
2017 Ford F150 2.7L ecoboost v6 4x2 3.15 gear rating with 145'' WB
UVW=4703 Payload=1547 GVWR=6250
Front Axel= 3150 Rear Axel= 3300 LB

Been looking at this Travel trailer with UVW=6090 GVWR=7495

and could the gear ratio be increase from 3.15 to 3.55 or higher
and would that make a difference in what i could tow.
are there any changes i could do to the truck to help out on the towing


thanks any help would be appreciated
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Old 10-21-2020, 11:27 PM   #2
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New the camper towing, trying to get some info on what i can tow with my truck

My truck
2017 Ford F150 2.7L ecoboost v6 4x2 3.15 gear rating with 145'' WB
UVW=4703 Payload=1547 GVWR=6250
Front Axel= 3150 Rear Axel= 3300 LB

Been looking at this Travel trailer with UVW=6090 GVWR=7495

and could the gear ratio be increase from 3.15 to 3.55 or higher
and would that make a difference in what i could tow.
are there any changes i could do to the truck to help out on the towing


thanks any help would be appreciated
I believe if your truck is not equipped with the factory trailer tow package you are limited to a 5000 lb tow rating. See page 15 of the Ford RV & Trailer towing guide linked below:

https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/d...VTTowGuide.pdf

If interested, page 16 identifies the various components that make up the three tow packages available for the F150 (53A, 53B and 53C). There are many posts at https://www.f150forum.com/f82/ that discuss adding these items.

Even with upgrades, I think you will be pretty much at the high end of what the 2.7 will do. In addition, your truck has a very low GVWR at 6250 and modest payload capacity at 1547. I think it will be tough to get a trailer of this size/weight to be within your ratings. Unfortunately, this vehicle was not optioned out to be much of a tow vehicle.
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Herb; thanks for taking the time to investigate the numbers that go into towing safely .

Before , mistercee , posted I was going to ask about the current tow rating , because even without that number( 5,000 lbs ) a trailer this size looked to be too much for your truck .
Loaded a TT will put 12/13 % of it's weight on the hitch , add in the weight of a good WDH ( Weight Distribution Hitch and bars ) and easily the trailer will put 1,000 lbs on the rear of the truck and not all the payload is available at the rear axle.
JMHO: If this is your trailer of choice , you need a bigger truck. OR at least a fully tow package equipped half ton with 2000 lbs + payload.
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My friend has an F150 2.7 EB with 3.31 rear end. He did fine on flat interstate but struggled to pull his 6000 lbs boat on 6% grade, even 18 wheelers were passing him. I think you will have a hard time on hills with the 3.15 rear end. But IMO, any high wall trailers over 7000 lbs are already in the 3/4 ton territory.
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Change axle ratio is definitely doable, but it cost a small fortune. It may make more sense to trade up to a beefier 1/2 ton or preferably a 3/4 ton.
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Change axle ratio is definitely doable, but it cost a small fortune. It may make more sense to trade up to a beefier 1/2 ton or preferably a 3/4 ton.

Gearing is only part of any good tow package , rear suspension, tires , radiator and trans cooler are all part of the complete tow vehicle .
I don't have enough info on Fords to even guess if the tranny is the same one they use in the max tow 1/2 ton.
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No way - you need a muscled up half ton at least to tow that trailer. You actually have the half ton weakling with the thinner frame, higher gears, and not really set up to tow that trailer.

Trade up to the F-150 3.5 Eco-Boost with all the towing packages at least. Even that truck would be at it's towing limit to what it can control going down the road.

I would want a 3/4 ton truck to tow and control that trailer.

You should be looking at smaller travel trailers like maybe 4,000lb dry weight.
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New the camper towing, trying to get some info on what i can tow with my truck

My truck
2017 Ford F150 2.7L ecoboost v6 4x2 3.15 gear rating with 145'' WB
UVW=4703 Payload=1547 GVWR=6250
Front Axel= 3150 Rear Axel= 3300 LB

Been looking at this Travel trailer with UVW=6090 GVWR=7495

and could the gear ratio be increase from 3.15 to 3.55 or higher
and would that make a difference in what i could tow.
are there any changes i could do to the truck to help out on the towing


thanks any help would be appreciated

Read the ford towing specs. If you want a cute little pick up then find something else to do besides RVing. If you want to RV then get a Tow Vehicle that will control the trailer.
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No way, you'll hate that truck with 7500 lbs behind it. You either need to go WAY smaller, or get a bigger truck.
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Appreciate all the feed back on my truck and towing question.
guess i didn't mentioned in my thread that my truck does have a towing package has a class 4 hitch rated at Max Gross TRLR WT=11,000#
( Weight carrying=5,000) Max Tongue WT=1,100 (Weight carrying=500 LB)

would these numbers make any difference in towing that trailer.

And was does the 5,000 and 500 weight carrying mean thats on the sticker of the hitch
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New the camper towing, trying to get some info on what i can tow with my truck

My truck
2017 Ford F150 2.7L ecoboost v6 4x2 3.15 gear rating with 145'' WB
UVW=4703 Payload=1547 GVWR=6250
Front Axel= 3150 Rear Axel= 3300 LB

Been looking at this Travel trailer with UVW=6090 GVWR=7495

and could the gear ratio be increase from 3.15 to 3.55 or higher
and would that make a difference in what i could tow.
are there any changes i could do to the truck to help out on the towing


thanks any help would be appreciated
Nope. I pulled a lighter weight unit and hated it every mile. Tow vehicle 2010 F150 King Ranch with 5.4l and the 6 speed transmission and 3.55 axle with all the tow requirements and also added Sumo Springs. My camper was 5900 from the factory per the sticker and we were 7100 at the scale. Tongue was 900. Husky Centerline hitch. Squirrely in wind at speed on the interstate at 65 tops. Unsafe at best.
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Appreciate all the feed back on my truck and towing question.
guess i didn't mentioned in my thread that my truck does have a towing package has a class 4 hitch rated at Max Gross TRLR WT=11,000#
( Weight carrying=5,000) Max Tongue WT=1,100 (Weight carrying=500 LB)

would these numbers make any difference in towing that trailer.

And was does the 5,000 and 500 weight carrying mean thats on the sticker of the hitch
5000 = total weight if using bumper (not the hitch receiver) for towing. 500 would be max tongue weight with this towing method.

As for having a tow package....yes that certainly helps, but I think that is still a lot of trailer for that truck.

Payload can be a factor. Here's a breakdown on your vehicle:

Payload =1547
Deduct approximately 975 lbs for tongue weight of that trailer (13% of trailer's GVWR)
Deduct approximately 100 lbs for weight distribution hitch
This leaves you about 472 pounds for all people, pets, gear etc. in the truck.

If you have added anything aftermarket on the vehicle (tonneau cover, toolbox, bedliner etc.) this also needs to be deducted.

Of bigger concern in my opinion is the truck's GVWR. You can easily exceed 6250 with that combo.
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Interesting the truck has a tow package with 3:15 gearing. That and the thinner frame and lite duty rear axles also are not good for towing.

I firmly believe Ford built this very light duty F-150 so they would not need to build the Ford Ranger. That lasted 4 years before they build thd Ranger.

Anyway if you compare the Ford Ranger to this light duty F-150 the F-150 wins everytime. But even at that, that trailer is still too much for the truck.
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Appreciate the Info

Appreciate all the Info guys, a lot of help, guess its time to go truck hunting, we really don't want to go down in camper size would like to go up actually.

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