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Demented · 01-03-2019, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by FastEagle

Upgrades in drive train will increase your towing capacity. NOT the vehicle's GVWR. I post the link to vehicle certification all the time. You should read it sometime.

The info I posted for gvwr and gcwr are straight out of general motors publications for my particular trucks which there are millions of the same truck combos out there. I did not make them up or doctor them in any way. It clearly states different drivetrains having different weight ratings for the same trucks.

ScoobyDoo · 01-03-2019, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by grindstone01

It would be a short discussion, like none. All the weight police (DOT) care about is axle rating. In a roadside stop, they will put portable scales under one axle at a time to check weights and if one axle is over, you can adjust or move the load to make it pass, my son has BTDT on his semi truck. They could care less about GVWR!

In my many, likely near 100, roadside inspections, never once has LEO looked at a axle or vehicle weight rating, other than that one silly town cop. And most every ticket he wrote was a waste of paper, dismissed. Now, tire ratings, they check them. The registered weight, check that. Space between axles? Yes, check that.
And BTW, most that have stopped me the last 15 years I worked had at least 5 pair of scales, to check moving weight axle to axle.

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Originally Posted by Superburban

Then your Son should be able to tell you that most states use permanent scales, that weigh all the axles separately, at the same time. Just like the CAT scales. He should also have learned that not all states allow you to adjust anything, to many, overweight, is just that, overweight. Zap, gotacha, Ding, We got another for the quota.

Some states still have small platform, just weigh one tandem at a time. And as for adjusting the load, that depends on not only the state but where you are in the state. In Mo, for instance, if not on interstate, and you can adjust without unloading, get it right, no fine. On interstate, pay then adjust, but sometimes no adjustment needed.

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Originally Posted by Superburban

Show me a registration card that has a registered weight above the GVRW sticker on the door (include that photo also)..

My half ton Dodge has a GVWR of 6300 lbs. The registration card says 12,000 lbs. Without a trailer, it would be hard to gross much over 7000 without overloading tires. (illegal) With a trailer, I'm legal up to 12000, and likely would not get a ticket below 13000. I don't post pics on net, but if you PM a phone number I would text them to you...

xrated · 01-04-2019, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Old-Biscuit

For YEARS I have challenged all comers to post the Statue that makes exceeding MFG GVWR a citable offense.........

NONE have been posted

Lots of statements, recommendations, what if's, yada/yada, attorney lawyer gibberish, civil litigation threats but not ONCE has a actual GVWR Statue been posted.

Where are you at Bisquit? There have been two examples of states that do impose penalties for over GVWR? Comments?

Rzrektd · 01-04-2019, 11:44 AM

While I will agree there are additional margins built into GVWR limits, that will provide little comfort in the court room. The design limits will be the ONLY discussion by legal counsel and no one will come to your defense! At least no one from the vehicle manufacturer. Be smart.. play it safe! It will always serve you well!

Old-Biscuit · 01-04-2019, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by xrated

where are you at bisquit? There have been two examples of states that do impose penalties for over gvwr? Comments?

commercial

xrated · 01-04-2019, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Old-Biscuit

commercial

Does that mean that you went to a commercial break while watching TV.....or do you think that the two that were posted only applies to commercial vehicles?

xrated · 01-04-2019, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rzrektd

While I will agree there are additional margins built into GVWR limits, that will provide little comfort in the court room. The design limits will be the ONLY discussion by legal counsel and no one will come to your defense! At least no one from the vehicle manufacturer. Be smart.. play it safe! It will always serve you well!

I agree with you....I'm on the "Don't tow over the GVWR" limit side!

FastEagle · 01-04-2019, 03:17 PM

Awfully long thread for such a simple subject.

What is a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)? For a single vehicle, it is the value specified by the vehicle manufacturer as the maximum loaded weight of the vehicle.

For a combination of vehicles, it is the value specified by the vehicle manufacturer as the maximum loaded weight of the towing unit plus the GVWR of the towed unit or units.

I'm going to risk one more statement.

It's always going to be safer traveling for you and your family, to do it within the established safety parameters set for your vehicles safe operations.

Superburban · 01-04-2019, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FastEagle

Awfully long thread for such a simple subject.

What is a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)? For a single vehicle, it is the value specified by the vehicle manufacturer as the maximum loaded weight of the vehicle.

For a combination of vehicles, it is the value specified by the vehicle manufacturer as the maximum loaded weight of the towing unit plus the GVWR of the towed unit or units.

I'm going to risk one more statement.

It's always going to be safer traveling for you and your family, to do it within the established safety parameters set for your vehicles safe operations.

I'll nitpic a bit here.

GVWR you have right.

For a combination, you need to look at the GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating). That is the maximum the Tow vehicle and what it is towing can weigh, as determined by the manufacturer. You can tow a trailer with a higher weight rating, then your GCWR, but just not load it to its rating.

Can one go over those, and not damage their truck? Yes, we have all seen a 1/2 ton truck loaded down where the front wheels look like they will come in the air at every bump. Did he safely make it home? Quite possibly. That is far from buying a trailer that is above what your truck can legally carry, and towing it all over the country. While both are legally wrong (Maybe not in all states, thats why this thread is so long), One may get away with it for awhile, but is it worth risking your trucks axles, springs, frame, and what not over?

Eastham · 01-04-2019, 09:09 PM

TV[QUOTE=grindstone01;4571241]It would be a short discussion, like none. All the weight police (DOT) care about is axle rating. In a roadside stop, they will put portable scales under one axle at a time to check weights and if one axle is over, you can adjust or move the load to make it pass, my son has BTDT on his semi truck. They could care less out

JIMNLIN · 01-06-2019, 01:31 PM

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Ok, here you, Wisconsin has no mention of an RV exemption, nor anything limiting the scales only for commercial vehicles.

This Wisconsin clicky is not size and weight code violation if that is the intent;

""The purpose for this rule is to specify which vehicle operators shall stop at open weigh stations for vehicle and load weighing, measuring and inspecting and to specify further which vehicle operators, although they may be required by a traffic officer to stop, shall not be required to stop for vehicle and load weighing, measuring and inspecting as a matter of regular course at open weigh stations.""

So far no one has come up with a states actual size and weight code that says its illegal to carry weight above the truck makes GVWR which is what the OP asked about in post number one.
Most rv folks aren't educated why dot doesn't use the trucks makers gvwr as its max legal load limit.

Lot on the net on the reasons why.