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Old 09-25-2020, 07:45 AM   #1
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Trailer weight questions

Downsizing from ft mh statis to camping with a travel trailer. And I’ve never trailered a travel trailer so I have some weight questions. The trailer I like, Wolf pup 16fq has a single axle and storage up front under Murphy bed. It has a listed hitch weight of 444lbs but a gvwr 3,900. So using the 10% rule, the tongue weight should be about 390.

Questions: what real time numbers do you need to add to the hitch weight? Like battery? Propane, loaded trailer? And is there any way to reduce tongue weight? If you add whatever weights you need to add to trailer hitch weight, it really messes with the 10% rule. So I’m confused. And wondering if I’m missing something about tw and hw weights.
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The 10% is minimum. As long as you don’t exceed your truck’s max hitch weight, you can have more and I prefer more than 10%. If you’ve ever had a trailer fishtail, you’ll want more as well. Drive your new trailer around and get a feel for what works.

Batteries and propane are not included in the manufacture’s dry weight.
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Old 09-25-2020, 11:37 AM   #3
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My single axle trailer is 2890 lbs dry with 420 lbs tongue weight on paper (about 100 lbs more on tongue when loaded). More tongue weight is safer to tow as long as your truck doesn’t squat too much, otherwise you will lose your steering axle traction.
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Old 09-25-2020, 11:48 AM   #4
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That listed 444# hitch weight is based on the dry weight of trailer --3031# which equals 15% tongue weight ratio
Trailer only has 913# cargo capacity so GVWR is 3944#
At 15% ratio...wet tongue (loaded camper) = 592#

What vehicle are you going to tow with...Year/Make-Model/Trim Level etc??
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Old 09-26-2020, 10:28 PM   #5
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Downsizing from ft mh statis to camping with a travel trailer. And Iíve never trailered a travel trailer so I have some weight questions. The trailer I like, Wolf pup 16fq has a single axle and storage up front under Murphy bed. It has a listed hitch weight of 444lbs but a gvwr 3,900. So using the 10% rule, the tongue weight should be about 390.

Questions: what real time numbers do you need to add to the hitch weight? Like battery? Propane, loaded trailer? And is there any way to reduce tongue weight? If you add whatever weights you need to add to trailer hitch weight, it really messes with the 10% rule. So Iím confused. And wondering if Iím missing something about tw and hw weights.
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A good rule of thumb is to figure 13% of the trailerís GVWR as tongue weight, not 10%. Most trailer brochure weights do not include propane or battery in this published hitch weight.

Reducing tongue weight below that 13% range increases the chances of trailer sway.
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Old 09-27-2020, 09:42 AM   #6
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Thank you all for responding.

So, don’t use the manufactures hitch weight and add propane, battery and ?, but use 13%-15% of listed trailer gross weight and make that your anticipated tw?
Still somewhat confusing. That would put a 5,000 lb gvrw trailer having a tw of 650-750 lb tw.
So why is it typical for a spec of a class lll hitch to have 5,000 lb gvrw with tw of 500 lb. ?

Why do they make all of this so confusing? Between tv specs, hitch specs, trailer specs and salesmen from car showroom to RV showroom. No need to answer, kind of just complaining out loud.
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Tw will generally be a higher spec with wd hitch, so accounting for that gives a little more room.
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Old 09-27-2020, 12:48 PM   #8
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Hook it up and pull thru a cat scale to get some numbers. That’s the only way to know if you are within your capacity.
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