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Old 09-20-2020, 09:42 PM   #1
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Question Truck to Tow

Got a 5th wheel weighing 14,400 lbs GVWR hitch weight 2435lbs
UVW ? 11,244 lbs, CCC ? 3191 lbs. fresh water 69 gal, grey water 80 gal, black waster 40 gal. most likely not drive with full fresh or black or grey waters
To tow looking at a 2500 HD 6.6 L gas happens to be also a 4x4, (do not really want a 4X4) but seems all left in stock or on the way is 4x4. I DO NOT WANT DIESEL
Chevy state standard bed crew cab 4x4 trailer weight of
14,500 lbs. So I not ever understood the GVWR, GVW, or tongue weights.
Question is would this be enough truck to pull this 5th wheel not sure what bed hitch will be weighing. most likely a slider hitch with short bed.

Any information or help would greatly be appreciated.
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You need to look at truck payload, not max trailer weight. Also, where are you getting the pin weight numbers? Most 5th wheels are 20-23% of trailer max for the pin weight.

To help you buy the proper truck for the trailer, you do need to understand the different weights.

Start here: https://www.curtmfg.com/towing-capacity

Unless you are looking at a gas regular cab 2500, a 14000 5th wheel is in the 80-90% of the truck capacity.
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Old 09-21-2020, 05:23 AM   #3
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That 5th wheel is kinda big for any SRW truck but doable.

The SRW truck should be a 350/3500 truck and not a 250/2500 truck IMHO.

Look at the occupant / cargo capacity and rear axle capacity vs the pin weight of the 5th wheel.

350/3500 trucks will have more weight carrying capacity.

Look at the Ford F-350 7.3 gas engine and 8 foot bed. This truck will have a cargo capacity of 4,000lbs.

GM probably has the same capacity on their 3500 series trucks.
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Got a 5th wheel weighing 14,400 lbs GVWR hitch weight 2435lbs
UVW ? 11,244 lbs, CCC ? 3191 lbs. fresh water 69 gal, grey water 80 gal, black waster 40 gal. most likely not drive with full fresh or black or grey waters
To tow looking at a 2500 HD 6.6 L gas happens to be also a 4x4, (do not really want a 4X4) but seems all left in stock or on the way is 4x4. I DO NOT WANT DIESEL
Chevy state standard bed crew cab 4x4 trailer weight of
14,500 lbs. So I not ever understood the GVWR, GVW, or tongue weights.
Question is would this be enough truck to pull this 5th wheel not sure what bed hitch will be weighing. most likely a slider hitch with short bed.

Any information or help would greatly be appreciated.
It can be confusing. If you answer basic questions here you will get good help most of the time.

Here's a link to GMs trailering guide for 2020 models. https://www.chevrolet.com/content/da...ring-guide.pdf If you're looking at a gas 6.6 it must be a 2020- model.

Page 8 will explain the various GVW,GVWR RAWR etc. numbers. The 2020 2500HD has increased payload and towing power. Payload and RAWR are what you need to watch when towing 5th wheels or gooseneck trailers.

I think you can build a truck to your wants and needs on the GM website then find the payload and GCVWR for it.
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Old 09-22-2020, 05:40 PM   #5
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Another rabbit hole question. For that trailer,IMO, you really want a350/3500 with a gvwr>12,400lbs. This will give you a much better cargo limit. The more stuff you want on the truck the lower the payload.


The the truck will only be for towing the camper then get a used DRW and be done. If the truck will be a daily driver a crewcab long wheel base will net you the best payload.


The empty ride difference between a "3/4" ton and a "1" ton will be minimal if you adjust you tire pressure when empty.
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Payload = passenger + cargo + pin weighT
GVWR = truck weight + max payload
GCWR = Max weight for: truck actual weight + trailer actual weight
GAWR = Max weight on the axle (generally rear)
Trailer GVWR = trailer dry weight + max cargo capacity
Towing capacity = max weight to tow when there is literally nothing in the truck
Hitch weight = max weight on the hitch (this matters more if you do bumper pull, you will account this in payload)

You can get your actual numbers after pulling thru CAT scale with the truck trailer hooked up, then truck alone. In general, if you are over any of these limits above, then you need a bigger truck to safely tow.

Generally, 3/4 ton trucks don’t have the payload for fifth wheel over 9,000 lbs due to the hitch weight is 17-25%.
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You're in DRW territory with 14k lbs. I wouldn't even consider a SRW at that weight, just because even if you're within spec, you're going to be on the ragged edge more than likely.
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I think he does not need a dually. Close but with the new 2019 Ram and 2020 Ford, GM SRW trucks these trucks are beefed up with a stronger rear axle and beefier tires.

The 2020 SRW Ford F-350 with an 8' bed will have a payload of 4,400lbs. I am sure the new GM and Ram trucks will be the same.

I know the SRW F-350 used to have a GVWR of 11,500lbs. I think now it can be optioned to be 12,400lbs.

A 14,000 lb. 5th wheel will have a pin weight of 2,800lbs. min. to 3,500lbs max.

Check on a muscled 350/3500 SRW truck - check rear axle and tire capacity. If you are comfortable towing with a SRW truck you can do it. A dually will, however be more stable and give you a lot more capacity.

I would personally pick a dually for my piece of mind.

I am currently considering a 12,000 GVWR 5th wheel that I would tow with a muscled 350/3500 truck.
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Tow test GMC2500HD vs RAM3500HD dually

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You're in DRW territory with 14k lbs. I wouldn't even consider a SRW at that weight, just because even if you're within spec, you're going to be on the ragged edge more than likely.
Here's the video.

New GM 2500HD has lots of capacity but I wouldn't recommend hauling near maximum regularly. 3500HD and a dually is best at those weights and above.
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I think he does not need a dually. Close but with the new 2019 Ram and 2020 Ford, GM SRW trucks these trucks are beefed up with a stronger rear axle and beefier tires.

The 2020 SRW Ford F-350 with an 8' bed will have a payload of 4,400lbs. I am sure the new GM and Ram trucks will be the same.

I know the SRW F-350 used to have a GVWR of 11,500lbs. I think now it can be optioned to be 12,400lbs.

A 14,000 lb. 5th wheel will have a pin weight of 2,800lbs. min. to 3,500lbs max.

Check on a muscled 350/3500 SRW truck - check rear axle and tire capacity. If you are comfortable towing with a SRW truck you can do it. A dually will, however be more stable and give you a lot more capacity.

I would personally pick a dually for my piece of mind.

I am currently considering a 12,000 GVWR 5th wheel that I would tow with a muscled 350/3500 truck.
They're definitely stepping up their game, but it gives me the chills to think about pulling a rig that heavy with SRW. I did it once with a TH and white knuckled all the way home. We hit a hard crosswind coming in and I was lucky not to ruin my truck seats.

Our new rig is right at 14.5k lbs GVWR and my DRW 3500 can definitely feel it back there, but it's a lot more stable. My previous rig was around 12k GVWR and it didn't even level the truck, but was a breeze to tow.
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