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Old 03-19-2018, 12:11 PM   #15
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And which state certified you as a Professional Engineer (PE) in chassis design?


Dude, if you donít understand some GVWRs are what they are due to keeping a truck in a certain class, you are a lost cause.

You can request a truck have a different (lower) GVWR if you want from the manufacturer. They donít change the truck, they change the sticker.

Certain trucks have certain GVWRs for similar reasons. Try some critical thinking...

Your snarky little comment shows you arenít paying attention.
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Old 03-19-2018, 02:14 PM   #16
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In the past the F-450 had a wider from track thus reducing the turning radius. Larger brakes by an inch. I think 15" vs 14". Then the F-450 had 4:30 gearing to increase towing.

In 2017, I think Ford increased many things. Engine torque and HP. Greatly improved and stiffened the frame.

The only thing I really do not like with my F-450 is driving solo as the 4:30 gears are for towing, not driving solo.
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Old 03-19-2018, 02:21 PM   #17
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Just go my tow vehicle. No worry about any of this. Lot less money also. You do have choices.
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Is the F450 overkill or is the F350 fine?
I just went through this truck shopping with a friend. We were surprised how low the CCC rating on the door jam was for most new F350s on the lots.
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Old 03-28-2018, 08:18 AM   #19
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In the next 5 years we are looking at going full time. We will be upgrading our current tt to a 5ver. Some of the ones we like currently have a gross weight around 18k. Pin weight is going to be in the 4000 to 4500 range I am guessing. I am looking at purchasing my TV in the next year or so so I can get it paid off before going full time. I am looking at either a 350/3500 drw or an f450 drw. The payload on the 350/3500 is in the 5200 range. The pin weight is going to eat up most of that. I really don't think there will be much in the TV besides me and the wife and some small odds and ins. The 700 difference should be ok even with the hitch. The F450 has a payload of around 7600. I am thinking for the extra couple thousand to go with the F450. Is the F450 overkill or is the F350 fine? Will be traveling all over so going thru the mountains as well. Just want to make sure I don't have any issues. Which would you go with? Thanks

4000-4500 pin seems a bit heavy for a 18k 5er. I have attached some sample weights from Riverstone 5er specs for reference. Just an example.
They are actually a bit over 18k lbs and have much less pin weight than you are expecting.

Honestly, you should be good on payload with an 18k 5er on any of the trucks you're looking at.

My 2cents though, get a RAM 3500 HO with the Aisin.

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I just went through this truck shopping with a friend. We were surprised how low the CCC rating on the door jam was for most new F350s on the lots.


The reason the F350 payload is higher is because the F450 weighs more... and the F450 is tagged with a GVWR to keep it in a certain class.

Make no mistake though, the F450 is more capable than the F350.
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