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Old 12-04-2021, 03:29 PM   #29
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I think in your case the limiting factor for you would be rear axle rating. You might be able to exceed the rear axle rating, before exceeding the GVWR.
Correct. 7000 axle rating and around 2900 for unloaded rear axle.
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Interesting as I have a aluminum body 2WD F-250 short bed. The weight on my rear axle unloaded is 3,200lbs.
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Interesting as I have a aluminum body 2WD F-250 short bed. The weight on my rear axle unloaded is 3,200lbs.
I'm going off of Rams tow guide. It lists a 3500 2wd Tradesman at 2850. I have a level 1 big horn so I figure it's pretty close. My last 2 Tradesman's were pretty close to the tow weight charts.
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I am going off a CAT scale.
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Old 12-05-2021, 08:46 AM   #33
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Hi Mike Thanks for the real world numbers

I would trust the CAT scale before anything RAM says
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Interesting as I have a aluminum body 2WD F-250 short bed. The weight on my rear axle unloaded is 3,200lbs.
Wow, my Ram is 3360 on the scale. I thought the difference would have been greater.
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Wow, my Ram is 3360 on the scale. I thought the difference would have been greater.
Sheetmetal really isn't that heavy. I'd imagine they don't save much more than 25lbs on even a dually 1/4 panel.
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Old 12-05-2021, 10:56 AM   #36
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Hi Mike Thanks for the real world numbers

I would trust the CAT scale before anything RAM says
I've had 3 Rams, 2 2500's and now a 3500. All have been real close to the tow guide. I'm talking 100 lbs close. My 1st 2 were an ST and Tradesman. We have ODOT scales scattered along the hwy's in Oregon. they leave the digital readout on when the sign says closed. I've been over them too many times to count.
I've had many chances to weigh my trucks loaded and unloaded so I'm pretty confident on my weights.
Ram uses the Tradesman model in some of the tow guides. There's nothing you can add except running boards of the 5th wheel puck kit that would change the weight much.
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My 19 Ram CTD 3500 CC LB 2wd has 4552 lbs for CCC. Certainly capable of towing 16,000 lbs.
Would I? Probably not but many do.
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I think in your case the limiting factor for you would be rear axle rating. You might be able to exceed the rear axle rating, before exceeding the GVWR.
11,100 GVWR
7000 RAWR
16000 5vr GVWR
22% Wet Pin=3520#

Not an issue..........
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11,100 GVWR
7000 RAWR
16000 5vr GVWR
22% Wet Pin=3520#

Not an issue..........
According to my door sticker the GVWR is 12,000 lbs.
3520# doesn't leave much for the DW and I plus my big tool box and other stuff. I'd be over my RAWR with 3520+ all the other stuff.
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According to my door sticker the GVWR is 12,000 lbs.
3520# doesn't leave much for the DW and I plus my big tool box and other stuff. I'd be over my RAWR with 3520+ all the other stuff.
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I'm going off of Rams tow guide. It lists a 3500 2wd Tradesman at 2850. I have a level 1 big horn so I figure it's pretty close. My last 2 Tradesman's were pretty close to the tow weight charts.

Even if Rear axled weighed 3400# the 3520 WET Pin of 5th wheel would not exceed the RAWR nor the 12K GVWR on truck

That is WHY CAT Scale weighing is important...ACTUAL weights vs tow guides
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I'm going off of Rams tow guide. It lists a 3500 2wd Tradesman at 2850. I have a level 1 big horn so I figure it's pretty close. My last 2 Tradesman's were pretty close to the tow weight charts.

Even if Rear axled weighed 3400# the 3520 WET Pin of 5th wheel would not exceed the RAWR nor the 12K GVWR on truck

That is WHY CAT Scale weighing is important...ACTUAL weights vs tow guides
The thing you are missing is how heavy the truck is loaded before the pin is added.
Our 2016 DRW has a ready to tow rear axle weight of 4,400#, two extra tires and wheels doesn’t add 1,000#. Part is the hitch, part is the stuff I carry in the in-bed tool box, part is part of the weight of DW and I.
Going by axle weights and exceeding GVWR puts one in legal limbo. Not likely to get cited by an LEO, but worse may end up defending themselves in a civil lawsuit.
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The thing you are missing is how heavy the truck is loaded before the pin is added.
Our 2016 DRW has a ready to tow rear axle weight of 4,400#, two extra tires and wheels doesn’t add 1,000#. Part is the hitch, part is the stuff I carry in the in-bed tool box, part is part of the weight of DW and I.
Going by axle weights and exceeding GVWR puts one in legal limbo. Not likely to get cited by an LEO, but worse may end up defending themselves in a civil lawsuit.


Notice my Caveat.......CAT Scales to know ACTUAL weights

One can get sued over ANYTHING imaginable.
I do not live in fear of being sued.
I understand that Truck MFG GVWR is not legal status therefore I do NOT fear using Axle Ratings as those are down rated also
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No one wants to talk about civil lawsuits on this forum. They want a documented case number etc. They don't believe you can be sued if there is no criminal case.

I keep saying I was a juror on a civil case. I explain that you are assigned a percent of fault, from 0% fault to 100% fault. That if you are over GVWR on the truck you will be assigned a higher % of fault.

But again - GVWR on this forum is a bogus number only used for taxation and license fees.
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