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tco0608 · 07-12-2018, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2

tco - dude, I see 2014 in the Web addess.

Ford went from the worse frame to the best frame in 2017. Ford is now using a high strength boxed frame. My2017 F-250 is rock solid. Chevy and Ram have good frames too but are using mild steel. So Ford has the best frame...until 2020 when all three will be the same.

So I beg to differ.

Sorry but you are wrong. GM has been using high strength steel, hydro formed fully boxed frame with 9 cross members. Not mild steel.

They started in 14 on the 1500s

Ford is just catching up.

tuffr2 · 07-12-2018, 07:05 PM

Are we talking about half ton trucks of 3/4 and 1 ton. I believe I am right about the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.

I will need to check on 1/2 ton trucks but the redesigned 2019 Ram and Chevy to my understanding are adding High Strength steel.

tuffr2 · 07-12-2018, 07:11 PM

Nomad-archer, that looks like a nice truck and agree you should be able to buy it below asking price.

They should be able to give you the door sticker cargo capacity over the phone.

If it still meets your expectation, which it should, then go see and test drive it. I would expect cargo capacity to be around 3,200lbs.

tco0608 · 07-12-2018, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2

Are we talking about half ton trucks of 3/4 and 1 ton. I believe I am right about the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.

I will need to check on 1/2 ton trucks but the redesigned 2019 Ram and Chevy to my understanding are adding High Strength steel.

All 3 GM trucks, half ton used high strength in 2014, 3/4 and 1 ton started in 15.

The video I was talking of was a 15 model

jim0457 · 07-13-2018, 07:10 AM

Towing is great, but a key item some don't consider is stopping. I went to a diesel for better towing experience and know stopping is part of the design.

ScoobyDoo · 07-13-2018, 07:48 AM

Dealing with larger stuff back in the day we said "If it's a GMC, anything will work, but if you need a hole in a Ford frame you better get a good drill and bit.
It would likely never happen store-bought, or in sizes talked about here, but I have seen frames break because it could not flex.
Anybody remember when they tried to make some pickups with cab and bed made together? Fill the bed with firewood, the doors will not open. Maybe should use that system again. Overload if you want, but if you do, you can't get in to drive.

All this talk about frames is one thing, but do they use a different frame depending on the engine fuel?

mhshaffer · 07-13-2018, 12:51 PM

Diesel now don't wait. You won't go wrong. Love my diesel on the hills.

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tuffr2 · 07-13-2018, 03:49 PM

I remember as a kid riding in the bed of the truck. You would see the cab touch the bed and knew not to put your fingers there to hold on when the gap was 2".

Not sure how much better they can make the frames. The new 2019 Chevy 1500 advertises 10% stiffer frame.

Next iteration will say 5% stiffer the finally no more frame improvement but self driving technology.

Jccjr50 · 07-19-2018, 08:21 AM

If you are in a lot of hills or mountains, the diesel is far better because it pulls much better then gas, but with the current exhaust braking systems it is much safer going downhill. Brakes will last much longer.

ScoobyDoo · 07-19-2018, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jccjr50

If you are in a lot of hills or mountains, the diesel is far better because it pulls much better then gas, but with the current exhaust braking systems it is much safer going downhill. Brakes will last much longer.

I don't know how much has changed, but the early days of engine brakes was because the diesel had zero compression braking. Has anybody done a side by each whoa down gas/diesel?

Freqz · 07-19-2018, 02:24 PM

The gas engine will pull most RVs that won’t exceed the GVWR/RAWR without many issues until you see high elevations. The diesel however gives you a couple of extras: extra ponies, extra torques, an engine brake, a turbocharger, use of the high flow pumps at truck stops. You get the extra back when you sell it so you’re only out the carrying cost.

My TT weighs in 7800 dry, 9000 loaded for camping, 10000 GVWR. I love my power stroke but by all means for folk that only tow occasionally and never see high altitudes the NA gasser is fine.

tco0608 · 07-20-2018, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo

I don't know how much has changed, but the early days of engine brakes was because the diesel had zero compression braking. Has anybody done a side by each whoa down gas/diesel?

Engine braking on my 17 Duramax is awesome. There is a pretty good grade (loaded semis crawl going up) and with the engine braking on it holds speed and I never touch the brakes.

2Yung2 Quit · 07-20-2018, 07:47 AM

Diesel trucks have a better resale market, and hold their value better.

Kyleb100 · 07-20-2018, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jccjr50

If you are in a lot of hills or mountains, the diesel is far better because it pulls much better then gas, but with the current exhaust braking systems it is much safer going downhill. Brakes will last much longer.

My 2500hd gasser did great at 8000 ft elevation on our recent trip to Yellowstone. Couldn't tell a difference. Not sure how relevant this is anymore with the newer trucks... Could have been all in my head.

Engine breaking was great as well while going down 8 percent grade for 5 miles in the Rockies. Only had to touch the breaks a couple times, but only for a split second.