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03-16-2023, 07:03 PM
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Only inductive charging while the vehicle is in use like the wireless charging on your cell phone will make EV's viable especially on the interstates
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So how do we do it now? There are millions of us driving all over Europe, Asia and North America. How do we do it?
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03-16-2023, 07:19 PM
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#142
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EV’s are a car manufacturer’s dream. No complicated engine or transmission, so cheap to assemble. At the end of their battery life, you throw it away and buy a new one because the batteries are too expensive to replace. Manufacturers have tried to force planned obsolescence for decades and now the government is playing into their hands. If EV’s were the answer, it wouldn’t be be necessary for ICE’s to be outlawed.
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03-16-2023, 07:33 PM
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#143
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Originally Posted by radar
So how do we do it now? There are millions of us driving all over Europe, Asia and North America. How do we do it?
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How did we do a lot of things?
How did we put a computer in our pockets more powerful then desktop computers from just a few years ago?
In other words, we just do things, just because we can't do something now doesn't mean it can never be done.
Thank goodness a lot of people replying here weren't in charge of past technology or we wouldn't have cars, highways, landlines across the country, railways, subways, cell towers, the internet, and on and on.
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03-16-2023, 07:34 PM
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Location: Orangevale, CA
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I have been following the Hydrogen market for about 15 years. The current trend, Cummins is coming out with a Hydrogen ICE powplant.
"Cummins Inc. has recently formed a joint venture with NPROXX, a leader in hydrogen storage and transportation for hydrogen storage tanks. This joint venture will provide hydrogen and compressed natural gas storage products for on-highway and rail applications. The second is fueling infrastructure."
“Cummins has recently announced its plan to leverage existing platforms and expertise in spark ignited technology to build hydrogen engines. The high commonality among engine components between diesel and hydrogen leverages scale advantages for OEMs, while delivering the reliability that farmers need,” added Schmelzer.Aug 29, 2022
Many manufactures recognize that existing ICE engines can be modified (fuel delivery system) to burn Hydrogen. Additionally, They are adopting Hydrogen fuel cell technology.
I believe EV's will still be around but the majority will be Hydrogen Based.
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03-16-2023, 07:39 PM
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#145
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Rv future
IMHO. I don’t think that EVs are the answer. I believe that hybrids are the answer. There are to many pieces of the puzzle that have to be put in place.
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03-16-2023, 07:40 PM
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#146
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Originally Posted by smalinky1
I have been following the Hydrogen market for about 15 years. The current trend, Cummins is coming out with a Hydrogen ICE powplant.
"Cummins Inc. has recently formed a joint venture with NPROXX, a leader in hydrogen storage and transportation for hydrogen storage tanks. This joint venture will provide hydrogen and compressed natural gas storage products for on-highway and rail applications. The second is fueling infrastructure."
“Cummins has recently announced its plan to leverage existing platforms and expertise in spark ignited technology to build hydrogen engines. The high commonality among engine components between diesel and hydrogen leverages scale advantages for OEMs, while delivering the reliability that farmers need,” added Schmelzer.Aug 29, 2022
Many manufactures recognize that existing ICE engines can be modified (fuel delivery system) to burn Hydrogen. Additionally, They are adopting Hydrogen fuel cell technology.
I believe EV's will still be around but the majority will be Hydrogen Based.
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Yah. You never know. Although right now hydrogen is super expensive compared to electric and even gasoline in many places. And you lose the convenience of fueling at home which is where most charging is done.
But who knows. Maybe hydrogen will get cheap. For us in BC electric is 6 times cheaper than gasoline and 9 times cheaper than hydrogen when charging at home.
I think hydrogen has a future in heavy transport though.
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03-16-2023, 07:46 PM
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#147
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IMHO. I don’t think that EVs are the answer. I believe that hybrids are the answer. There are to many pieces of the puzzle that have to be put in place.
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Who knows. But hybrid sales are dropping off pretty fast. Not to sure what it will take to turn that around. The demand just isn’t there.
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03-16-2023, 08:01 PM
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How could the USA build a reliable electric grid for plug ins before 2028?
I have determined to go Hybrid (no plug in) by years end. So far there are few hybrid cars I would buy right now.
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03-16-2023, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by busbob
How could the USA build a reliable electric grid for plug ins before 2028?
I have determined to go Hybrid (no plug in) by years end. So far there are few hybrid cars I would buy right now.
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What happens in 2028.
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03-16-2023, 08:36 PM
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Just read today that the lithium needed to go just about 100% EV is triple to know lithium reserves that are know today.
Also the disposal of the batteries is not easy job. Said to take an hour or so to correctly dispose of a EV battery. And where you going to but all the expended batteries?
Politicians are thinking about their pocket book in todays world and not about the future in this regard!
They are a bunch of idiots!!
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"Politicians are thinking about their pocket book in todays world and not about the future in this regard!
They are a bunch of idiots!!"
That much I do agree with. The rest not much at all. It is highly unlikely that EV battery packs will be based on lithium for very long. Other options exists and will probably prevail over lithium. As for disposal, EV battery packs tend to be replaced when they will no longer about 80% rated capacity. There is still a lots of life in those battery packs and are very valuable for other uses. Don't forget the disposal of the other lithium batteries in our lives, cars, RVs, laptop, phones, etc, etc.
About 74% of lithium mined is used for batteries of all types, the balance is used for many other purposes including medical applications. About 33% is used for consumer electronics. The rest is going to EV battery packs. USGS estimates there is 88 Billion metric tones of lithium, enough to last a very long time. The issue is not if there is enough lithium but lithium production. Again a political issue not technical.
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03-16-2023, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Sbad0cko
Any thoughts or ideas on how this movement by most auto manufacturers will affect the RV market?
We are all getting bombarded with news article after news article regarding the shift to EV's. Just today I found this on CNN:
GM (GM) is spending a significant amount of money to shift production from traditional gasoline-powered vehicles to a lineup of pure electric vehicles. While that will eventually reduce labor costs since EVs don’t take as many hours of labor to produce, it does require billions of dollars in upfront investment. GM (GM) has said it will invest $35 billion between now and 2025 in the shift to EVs. Its target is to have an all EV lineup of passenger vehicles by 2035.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/09/business/gm-layoffs
There is already a lot out there regarding the F150 Lightning's, shall we say less then great, towing capability with regard to range. Are people going to be able to buy a traditional ICE TV in a decade?
The world is changing fast !
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It’s all b—- s—-
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03-16-2023, 10:42 PM
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How the Tesla semi does will show us how well rvs can do at some point. I’m guessing motor homes will actually make more sense than electric trucks pulling travel trailers first. They have a lot more room for batteries.
Battery tech is constantly evolving and based on a moores law kind of theory 10 years will see incredible changes.
Hydrogen is dead on arrival. Comercial use maybe but it will never be mainstream consumer because of delivery. Electrical delivery is already there just needs expansion. Massive difference.
Politics might be manipulating the speed to electric but Tesla started this long ago and everyone else was going to have to go there eventually.
There is a reason forrd and GM said nah teslas a joke and then a few years latter started dumping millions into research. Then billions. They’d have fought this in the politics if they didn’t think they needed to head to electric anyway.
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03-16-2023, 10:48 PM
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>>Besides over 80% of electricity generated in the US comes from fossil fuels. [/QUOTE]<<
Actually it's 60%, and dropping 1% every year.
EV technology is still evolving, and the transition will take decades. But talk to ANY EV owner for 20 minutes, and you'll be convinced that this is the future. We can either be a part of the solution (research, manufacturing, and adoption), or cede the future to China and the EU. Already they are adopting EVs much faster than we are.
I completely agree, however, that the adoption and practicality for large rigs and tow vehicles is further in the future, than it is for passenger cars.
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03-17-2023, 01:22 AM
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#154
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Lol lost lost lost
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