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Old 10-26-2022, 10:19 AM   #1
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First Toy Hauler and RV.

Been boaters for decades and will be. Systems seem to be very similar.

We are set on the Heartland Cyclone 42 after looking at many different floorpans etc, including busses. What other Toy Haulers have the 2 balcony setups?

Want to make sure we are not overlooking any.

Currently have a 2005 Silverado 2500 Duramax that we pull our boat with. What are your thoughts on pulling the Cyclone 42 with the 2500? Other than regular maintenance and water pumps, truck has been solid. Hate to exchange it for newer (not new) with unknown history. But if its BEST, then I will.
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Old 10-26-2022, 10:31 AM   #2
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That is a big boy!

2015 HEARTLAND CYCLONE 4200, This 2015 Heartland Cyclone 4200 is not your average toy hauler. This unit measures 44 ft in length, 8.42 ft in width, and 13.25 ft in height. It has a dry weight of 15,725 lbs with a payload capacity of 4,227 lbs. The GVWR is about 20,000 lbs and has a hitch weight of 3,525 lbs
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Not afraid of the the length at all. More curious if the 2500 would be ok with it or not. Have a CURT Commercial HD 2.5" Hitch receiver With a bullet proof hitch. Rated for 22K pounds there. Tires and axles don't think will handle the weight.

Thinking a 3500 will be in order. Does gear ratio mater here? Currently considering a 3500 dually diesel 2016 from Chevy.
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Old 10-27-2022, 08:06 AM   #4
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Been boaters for decades and will be. Systems seem to be very similar.

We are set on the Heartland Cyclone 42 after looking at many different floorpans etc, including busses. What other Toy Haulers have the 2 balcony setups?

Want to make sure we are not overlooking any.

Currently have a 2005 Silverado 2500 Duramax that we pull our boat with. What are your thoughts on pulling the Cyclone 42 with the 2500? Other than regular maintenance and water pumps, truck has been solid. Hate to exchange it for newer (not new) with unknown history. But if its BEST, then I will.
We have the sister unit, Road Warrior 427 with the side patio. The 2500 is not a good truck for these size rigs. A dually will handle it allot better. Our pin weight is over 4400lbs. You will be at that weight at least. We have been on the road full time since June 2019, and having around 30,000 miles towing with our dually.
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Pin Weight

When it gets this heavy are looking more to a HD3500 or Up as 4500 or 5500 to attain adequate Braking as well as stability. This is borderline even for a full ton truck.
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Not afraid of the the length at all. More curious if the 2500 would be ok with it or not. Have a CURT Commercial HD 2.5" Hitch receiver With a bullet proof hitch. Rated for 22K pounds there. Tires and axles don't think will handle the weight.

Thinking a 3500 will be in order. Does gear ratio mater here? Currently considering a 3500 dually diesel 2016 from Chevy.
I'll start of by saying this. I have a 5th Wheel Toy Hauler that is almost exactly that size....Momentum triple axle, GVWR of 20,000 lbs, 15,xxx lbs empty, 13' 5" height, etc. There is not a 3/4T truck made that will tow that trailer safely. With 5th Wheel type camping trailers, tow capacity of the truck is a useless number, so put that out of your mind. The MOST important capacity rating of a truck for towing a 5th Wheel Camping type trailer is the truck's PAYLOAD capacity.....and your truck does not have enough of it. You will run out of payload capacity long before you reach towing capacity.

A 5th Wheel camping trailer will put between 20% and up to almost 25% of the total weight of the trailer down as pin weight. An example of those numbers. Let's say the trailer is loaded up for travel and weights 18,500 lbs. 20% of that weight comes to 3700 lbs being put on the truck. Now lets use the same 18,500 lbs and calculate the pin weight at 22% (quite common for this to be that high). The pin weight will now be 4070 lbs. Now, add up the weight for everything else that goes in/on the truck. The 5ver hitch, maybe a toolbox in the bed of the truck, extra fuel?, passengers, ect, ect. You could see pin weight of around 4000 lbs plus for that setup.

Now, go take a look at the Cargo Carrying Capacity (CCC) on the driver side door sticker of YOUR truck. That number on the sticker is the max amount of weight that you can put in/on the truck. You would likely be OMG overloaded with that trailer. Most likely the only feasible solution for a trailer that size is a truck with over 5000 lbs of payload capacity, and that will come in the form of a 1 Ton Dually

I have a 2016 F350 Dually with a toobox in the bed of the truck and a 60 gallon aux. tank, plus the 5th wheel hitch. My 20,000 lb GVWR Momentum is normally loaded up to around 18,500 to 19,000 lbs and when the truck is full of full (both the truck tank and the aux. tank) and the trailer is hitched and ready to go, my truck weight is with 200 to 300 lbs of the GVWR for the truck....which is 14,000 lbs

So I'll close with just saying this. You have a decision to make....a much smaller trailer and keep your truck....or get that trailer but be ready to purchase a Dually with a 14,000 lb GVWR
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I'll start of by saying this. I have a 5th Wheel Toy Hauler that is almost exactly that size....Momentum triple axle, GVWR of 20,000 lbs, 15,xxx lbs empty, 13' 5" height, etc. There is not a 3/4T truck made that will tow that trailer safely. With 5th Wheel type camping trailers, tow capacity of the truck is a useless number, so put that out of your mind. The MOST important capacity rating of a truck for towing a 5th Wheel Camping type trailer is the truck's PAYLOAD capacity.....and your truck does not have enough of it. You will run out of payload capacity long before you reach towing capacity.

A 5th Wheel camping trailer will put between 20% and up to almost 25% of the total weight of the trailer down as pin weight. An example of those numbers. Let's say the trailer is loaded up for travel and weights 18,500 lbs. 20% of that weight comes to 3700 lbs being put on the truck. Now lets use the same 18,500 lbs and calculate the pin weight at 22% (quite common for this to be that high). The pin weight will now be 4070 lbs. Now, add up the weight for everything else that goes in/on the truck. The 5ver hitch, maybe a toolbox in the bed of the truck, extra fuel?, passengers, ect, ect. You could see pin weight of around 4000 lbs plus for that setup.

Now, go take a look at the Cargo Carrying Capacity (CCC) on the driver side door sticker of YOUR truck. That number on the sticker is the max amount of weight that you can put in/on the truck. You would likely be OMG overloaded with that trailer. Most likely the only feasible solution for a trailer that size is a truck with over 5000 lbs of payload capacity, and that will come in the form of a 1 Ton Dually

I have a 2016 F350 Dually with a toobox in the bed of the truck and a 60 gallon aux. tank, plus the 5th wheel hitch. My 20,000 lb GVWR Momentum is normally loaded up to around 18,500 to 19,000 lbs and when the truck is full of full (both the truck tank and the aux. tank) and the trailer is hitched and ready to go, my truck weight is with 200 to 300 lbs of the GVWR for the truck....which is 14,000 lbs

So I'll close with just saying this. You have a decision to make....a much smaller trailer and keep your truck....or get that trailer but be ready to purchase a Dually with a 14,000 lb GVWR
Totally agree, I would not pull that with a 3/4-ton truck. Diesel dully for sure.
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Pull a Grand Design 395MS-R triple axle with F450 dually, since we full time this big dually does the job perfectly. If you are not full timing and don't go to far on or any crazy mountain hill descents a good 1-ton truck would be the minimum requirement. Have good friends that tried a 3/4 ton Ram pulling a Grand Design two axle toyhauler, after two months they bought a Ram 1 ton dually, that first big hill descent was the decision point.

If you are buying such a large toyhauler and want to really enjoy the experience have Morryde Independent Suspension (IS) put on the toyhauler. Pulled ours for two years with stock suspension, always feeling like it was going to fall apart, broke one leaf spring, two were flattened out and it squeaked and groaned terribly. The Leaf Spring/Drum Brake combination are okay for anything under 14k but once you get up to our size they are inadequate for a 20k 5th wheel. After installation, pulled it from Elkhart, IN to Salem, OR and never felt like RV was behind us, plus every bump we hit on the road did not give me indigestion waiting for another leaf to break. Hate changing those at the side of a busy interstate.

The pictures are what came off and what they replaced them with. The price was expensive but worth every single penny. If you are able to buy it new, have them put the IS on at factory and roll cost in to loan. You will not regret the IS.Click image for larger version

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Pull a Grand Design 395MS-R triple axle with F450 dually, since we full time this big dually does the job perfectly. If you are not full timing and don't go to far on or any crazy mountain hill descents a good 1-ton truck would be the minimum requirement. Have good friends that tried a 3/4 ton Ram pulling a Grand Design two axle toyhauler, after two months they bought a Ram 1 ton dually, that first big hill descent was the decision point.

If you are buying such a large toyhauler and want to really enjoy the experience have Morryde Independent Suspension (IS) put on the toyhauler. Pulled ours for two years with stock suspension, always feeling like it was going to fall apart, broke one leaf spring, two were flattened out and it squeaked and groaned terribly. The Leaf Spring/Drum Brake combination are okay for anything under 14k but once you get up to our size they are inadequate for a 20k 5th wheel. After installation, pulled it from Elkhart, IN to Salem, OR and never felt like RV was behind us, plus every bump we hit on the road did not give me indigestion waiting for another leaf to break. Hate changing those at the side of a busy interstate.

The pictures are what came off and what they replaced them with. The price was expensive but worth every single penny. If you are able to buy it new, have them put the IS on at factory and roll cost in to loan. You will not regret the IS.Attachment 380332Attachment 380333
What did you pay if you don't mind me asking
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We had the IS installed in October 2020, cost at that time was $6500 for the triple axel. They also can-do disc brake conversions, probably another $4500-$5000.
But we had disc brake conversion completed in June 2019 at Heartland National Rally by Performance Trailer Braking for around $4200.

Here is some information about the IS system. By the way, the pic of the couple holding up the T-shirts, is my wife and myself.

https://www.morryde.com/joining-the-...s-owners-club/
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Roughly 13k for 8k triple axle and Disc Brakes, and it was worth every penny. Just did a quick write up.
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Roughly 13k for 8k triple axle and Disc Brakes, and it was worth every penny. Just did a quick write up.
Thanks for the info. Definitely interested in the i.s, not sure about the disk breaks.
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Thanks for the info. Definitely interested in the i.s, not sure about the disk breaks.
Disc brakes make a huge difference in stopping these big toy haulers.

Another thing about the system Performance Trailer Braking sells, the pads/bearings are the ones used on GMC/Chevy pickups and are easy to find.
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Disc brakes make a huge difference in stopping these big toy haulers.

Another thing about the system Performance Trailer Braking sells, the pads/bearings are the ones used on GMC/Chevy pickups and are easy to find.
Good to know. This site is like my wife, no problem spending money!! Now, disk brakes will be added to the build
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