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Old 05-12-2022, 06:29 PM   #1
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Pin weight empty vs toys inside

Not new to camping, or driving large vehicles, but would like real world experiences. I've been a commercial driver for 25 years, so not clueless, but possibly over thinking things.

Let's use round numbers for simplicity. Say I have 3k pin weight on a 2 axle 39ft toy hauler. I load say 4 bikes at 250lbs each in the garage. I know there's many variables, so not expecting exact numbers, but I think I should see a noticeable difference in pin weight, right?
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...but I think I should see a noticeable difference in pin weight, right?
Assuming its not a massive garage with toys sitting directly over the axles, the answer is yes.
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YES pin weight will change with garage loaded....become lighter

Toyhaulers are PIN Heavy dry so when garage is loaded the Pin weight is still heavy enough to provide 20% pin ratio (or more)
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Not new to camping, or driving large vehicles, but would like real world experiences. I've been a commercial driver for 25 years, so not clueless, but possibly over thinking things.

Let's use round numbers for simplicity. Say I have 3k pin weight on a 2 axle 39ft toy hauler. I load say 4 bikes at 250lbs each in the garage. I know there's many variables, so not expecting exact numbers, but I think I should see a noticeable difference in pin weight, right?
I think you will see a difference, but how much? My situation is a little different because my TH is a triple axle and I load a 1,200 pound Harley in the back. I know my pin goes down a little but I have been lazy and not run across the scales loaded yet. Based on the fact my F350 barely squats when I hook up loaded I'm guessing my pin is about perfect.
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As others said, yes, however it is likely that the difference will not make a significant difference.

As you said there are lots of variables probably the largest being where the weight is carried in your garage in relationship to your axles.

I would think that you may see at most a 10-20% of your load weight from your pin weight.
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I too have a triple axle Toy Hauler....Momentum 394M and last year we loaded up our normal stuff in the garage...plus two bicycles (not ebikes), plus a Can Am Spyder with a weight of about 1100 lbs. Pin weight decreased about 100 lbs vs. without the Spyder and bicycles. As stated, a lot will depend on the amount of weight added and where that is in relation to the axles. I'm seeing just under 4K pin weight without the Spyder.
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Let's use round numbers for simplicity. Say I have 3k pin weight on a 2 axle 39ft toy hauler. I load say 4 bikes at 250lbs each in the garage. I know there's many variables, so not expecting exact numbers, but I think I should see a noticeable difference in pin weight, right?
What is your definition of "noticeable"?

We are around 4250 of pin weight. When we had our gas power golf cart, about 1100 lbs., we would lose about 100lbs of pin weight.
Now we have a Spyder and expect around the same difference in pin weight.

After you get loaded, without the bikes, go get weighed. Then add the bikes and get weighed again, I would be interested to see the difference in pin weight. So, if you can please post the numbers.
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I have a Nitro XLR 321 and I have not weighed it, but here is what I can tell you. When the 1,300# RZR is loaded the rear overload spring only contacts one the pads. When the RZR is not loaded the over load spring contacts both the front and rear pad. This is on a 2022 3500HD Duramax.
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Best to just go to a cat scale.
Always good to know your true weights. I was surprised when I did.
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Best to just go to a cat scale.
Always good to know your true weights. I was surprised when I did.
I plan to, but just wasn't sure what to expect. I know from years on the road in a semi that the cantilever effect can change a semi a few hundred, to a few thousand depending on weight and placement from the fulcrum
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It depends on the trailer and the load. We had a Rampage 377 triple axle for 10 years that was REALLY pin heavy even though it was alum sided and had no slides. It did have a very high CCC because of that at least. It wasn't until I loaded my ZJ Grand Cherokee in the very back that it made a difference big enough to feel while towing (which was a positive difference).

I scaled that setup many times over the years. Surprisingly with the Jeep in the trailer, I was over my GCWR but under on all of my axles I also made sure to have way more tire capacity than I'd ever need on the truck and the trailer.
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