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Old 09-14-2021, 01:29 PM   #1
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OK so I am new here. Bought a 2021 4WD RAM 2500 diesel Big Horn crew cab and have the CURT Q20 5th wheel hitch. 5r is a new 2021 Wolf Pack 355PACK14 for weekend trips. Will be loading by Harley in the back.

Trailer specs indicate dry weight of 12988# and pin weight at 3050#. I believe the truck can tow 20k#, not sure the pin weight.

Anyone have a similar setup? Any issues?
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Old 09-14-2021, 02:44 PM   #2
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Youíre not going to like the answer. Your entire payload capacity is not more than 2050lbs. Rear axle capacity is 6040 and base weight is 3060. Those numbers are only valid if you havenít added a single accessory to the truck.

That is way too much trailer for a 2500.

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The truck does have the toe package. I was told by the stealer that it had close to 20k to capacity and about 4k in payload. I'm confused, or was lied to.
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Open up the drivers door and look for the yellow and white "Tire and Loading Information" sticker. Find the phrase "The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed XXXX". That is the available payload as equipped from the factory. Anything extra you've added is deducted from that. 250/2500 diesels seem to be in the low to mid 2000's for payload depending on the trim level.
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If you were talking to a salesman then they were only lying to you if their lips were moving. It does sound like you do not have enough truck.
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What he said. Does your truck have the air suspension option? If not, itís no more capable of towing that rig than mine is.


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Open up the drivers door and look for the yellow and white "Tire and Loading Information" sticker. Find the phrase "The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed XXXX". That is the available payload as equipped from the factory. Anything extra you've added is deducted from that. 250/2500 diesels seem to be in the low to mid 2000's for payload depending on the trim level.
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What he said. Does your truck have the air suspension option? If not, itís no more capable of towing that rig than mine is.

The factory air suspension would make it worse, because it would be spitting the overload warning at you and just shut off. Even if it didnít, the truck is probably over the rear axle capacity with the hitch and occupants.
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That Wolf Pack has a GVWR of 16,995#
That is 3000# more then what you should be towing with that 2021 RAM 2500

Dry Pin means NOTHING.....that is for empty trailer as it leaves factory
WET Pin on that 17K trailer will be closer to 3700# which will exceed your Trucks RAWR (6000 RAWR)

Nothing you can do to safely tow that heavy 5th wheel with your RAM 2500

One or other needs to be changed
Ram 3500 DUALLY
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Lighter toyhauler.....14K GVWR MAX

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OK so I am new here. Bought a 2021 4WD RAM 2500 diesel Big Horn crew cab and have the CURT Q20 5th wheel hitch. 5r is a new 2021 Wolf Pack 355PACK14 for weekend trips. Will be loading by Harley in the back.

Trailer specs indicate dry weight of 12988# and pin weight at 3050#. I believe the truck can tow 20k#, not sure the pin weight.

Anyone have a similar setup? Any issues?
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You have heard the bad news about the numbers. I assume you already have the fiver.

About the only thing you can do is load up your Harley and run your rig across the scales. Every major truck stop has a CAT scale out back and it will only cost you $10 to $15. Make sure they get you on correctly to give you your truck's steer axle weight, your truck's drive axle weight, and if possible your total trailer axles weights (combined). Of course they will also print out your total weight.

Not sure if your TH fiver is a 2 axle or 3 axle, but you may find that the Harley in the back takes some pin weight off or at least keeps it the same as when the trailer is empty. On my toy hauler the entire weight of my Harley sites behind my rear axle.

If you find that 3/4 ton squats too much there are solutions to help that but these solutions won't increase your towing capacity. Firestone air bags can be installed to level you out while towing.

Good luck and let us know what you get done or find out.
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Sorry that you found the hard truth of the 3/4 ton trucks. They can pull a lot, but are limited in the payload capacity, thus limited on 5er pin weight.

Also sad that the stupid dealers do not understand that towing is a two part equation. One is the amount that you can pull and the second is how much weight can the truck carry.

Looks like you will be in the market fro more truck or less trailer.

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You have heard the bad news about the numbers. I assume you already have the fiver.

About the only thing you can do is load up your Harley and run your rig across the scales. Every major truck stop has a CAT scale out back and it will only cost you $10 to $15. Make sure they get you on correctly to give you your truck's steer axle weight, your truck's drive axle weight, and if possible your total trailer axles weights (combined). Of course they will also print out your total weight.

Not sure if your TH fiver is a 2 axle or 3 axle, but you may find that the Harley in the back takes some pin weight off or at least keeps it the same as when the trailer is empty. On my toy hauler the entire weight of my Harley sites behind my rear axle.

If you find that 3/4 ton squats too much there are solutions to help that but these solutions won't increase your towing capacity. Firestone air bags can be installed to level you out while towing.

Good luck and let us know what you get done or find out.

This so a good point. My pin weight only changes by about 100 LBs in either direction depending on the load. The fresh tank is directly above the axles, the fuel station is behind, and most of the garage is behind.

I think heís going to be over the truckís RAWR with the hitch and dry trailer.
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I have a solution. The truck you have bought is highly desirable (a brand new Ram 2500). You could sell it outright or trade it for a 3500 for a minimum of pain dollar wise. I’d think 3500s are not as much in demand (I could be dead wrong).

Don’t feel bad. My truck came with the 5th wheel prep package so I assume a 5th wheel was doable if I ever decided to move up from my little Airstream. Then I realized that there are virtually no 5th wheels I could actually tow per the specs.

Oh, by the way. I see plenty of 3/4 ton trucks at the campgrounds pulling 5’ers. I don’t question anyone about it. Usually just leave it at “Good looking truck!”
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Yes I have air bags
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Thank you. I have bags going in this week. I will be going to the scales.
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