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Old 07-16-2020, 02:49 PM   #15
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I'm starting to think that what I want doesn't exist. I like the Winnebago, but you are right, it is enormous. I don't really want to drag that much around with me everywhere I go.

I even looked at Millennium Trailers, and got a quote for a 38' gooseneck trailer with a 12' living space, optioned out the way I wanted it. It is still a long trailer, but not as big and tall. It is more like buying a large UTV transport trailer with small living space added, instead of buying a large living space trailer with a small UTV transport space added. It cost $60,742.00. For that price I like the Winnebago much better. The quality of the furnishings in the Winnebago are much much better.

I guess I shouldn't complain about the price of the Millennium Trailer though. For the same length ATC 5th wheel it is $90,000, and it doesn't have a separate garage.
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Old 01-31-2021, 07:04 PM   #16
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I have been looking, but cannot find a smaller toy hauler that has at least a 12' separate garage for our UTV. Either a tongue pull or fifth wheel would be ok. I don't want a 35' to 43' monster that sleeps 9 people. All I need is sleeping space for 2 people. I would rather have a comfortable living space, even if a little smaller. What is out there that I am not finding?

Thanks in advance
After six months of looking at Toy Haulers I finally purchased a Momentum 350G. It has a 14.5' garage, and is very well appointed in the living area. Remember what I said about not wanting a 35' to 43' monster? Well, its 39'. Remember what I said about it not needing to sleep 9 people? Well, it will sleep 10. LOL, I really like the floor plan though, and this RV does have more garage space relative to living space than most. Happy trails.
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Old 01-31-2021, 09:54 PM   #17
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very nice, congratulations.
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Old 02-02-2021, 07:06 AM   #18
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Just curious about your choices and the weights involved, but you have gone from considering bumper pulls with a tongue weight around 1300# to now a 5th wheel with a pin weight north of 3400#. With that SRW you are going to find yourself pushing the payload limits and RAWR ratings. With my setup the Raptor 356, I have similar length (38') and weight (17K#), I was over the RAWR and at my payload of 4207#. This is with the previous 17 Ram SRW that had a aux fuel tank installed, 51g RDS. But I had only 30g water, 0 waste tanks and only me, no passengers or pets and nothing in the truck. All tools and heavy things in the garage with the bike in an attempt to lighten the pin weight.

I now have the DRW that's shown in the sig line.
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Old 02-03-2021, 05:48 AM   #19
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Dry weight is listed as 12,900, and GVRW is 16,880. Pin weight is listed as 2800 lbs, with nothing in the garage, so I am well under the 4100 lb cargo capacity of my truck. My "other" RV is a Lance 825, with a wet weight of about 3600 lbs. The weight in the bed of my truck with this trailer feels like it is significantly less than that. I don't have any problems towing this with the SRW 3500 Ram. It tows the trailer very well.
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Dry weight is listed as 12,900, and GVRW is 16,880. Pin weight is listed as 2800 lbs, with nothing in the garage, so I am well under the 4100 lb cargo capacity of my truck. My "other" RV is a Lance 825, with a wet weight of about 3600 lbs. The weight in the bed of my truck with this trailer feels like it is significantly less than that. I don't have any problems towing this with the SRW 3500 Ram. It tows the trailer very well.
Pin weight listed by the factory is for dry weight, not at GVWR which is what you will most likely be operating it. 5th wheels figure 20-25% of operating weight on the pin or 3360-4200 in your and my case. I was 4200# with a GVW of 16,500. CAT scale ticket weight, not estimated.

EDIT adding; it towed very well but somewhat nose high. The squat didn't seem to be visually much but I unfortunately got in a traffic jam in STL and it got dark on me before I arrived at my night's stay. Headlights were illuminating to overhead interstate signs. I made sure I did no more night driving.
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Old 02-06-2021, 07:00 AM   #21
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Small Toy Hauler w/ 12' Separate Garage?

Congrats. We are in the same boat looking at 350G/320G/353G. I have an SRW F350, diesel (4500 payload) and think it will be just fine. Have you taken your setup across the scales yet?

I don’t want to start the pin weight/payload war but adding stuff to the rear should lighten the pin weight slightly. So fully loaded I would say low 3k for pin weight based on the numbers. When we get ours (close to pulling trigger) I will do a dry/full comparison.
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Old 02-06-2021, 08:35 AM   #22
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I haven't taken it across the scales yet, and I don't really think I need to. The suspension only squats an inch or so when the pin weight is added. And the truck feels like it has about half the weight in the bed as it does with the Lance camper. And that is with an empty garage. When I add an 1800 lb UTV that has most of its weight toward the back end of the UTV, plus tools and 30 gallons of fuel in the onboard pump station at the back of the RV, I can't see that pin weight is going to increase very much.
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Old 02-06-2021, 08:46 AM   #23
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LivyZoe,
when you buy your Momentum be sure to add a good solar set up. These RVs have a residential fridge that is always on electric, no propane. The fridge is fantastic, and will cool down to the desired temperature in 2 hours, instead of a day or more like typical RV fridges, but it can't run on propane. We have dual 6 volt batteries and had a 190 watt solar panel added, and I wish I would have gone with more solar capacity. The fridge tends to draw down the batteries when you are dry camping. The generator charges the batteries back up with no issues, but a larger solar system would prevent the need for that.

For what it is worth, you can fit up to six 6 volt batteries in a Momentum Toy Hauler. When I need to replace my batteries in a few years I plan on upgrading from two 6 volt batteries to four. And I plan on upgrading the solar from a single 190 watt panel to three 190 watt panels.
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Fits like a glove.

Keep in mind the water tanks are behind the axles on this RV, so adding water does not increase pin weight.
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LivyZoe,
when you buy your Momentum be sure to add a good solar set up. These RVs have a residential fridge that is always on electric, no propane. The fridge is fantastic, and will cool down to the desired temperature in 2 hours, instead of a day or more like typical RV fridges, but it can't run on propane. We have dual 6 volt batteries and had a 190 watt solar panel added, and I wish I would have gone with more solar capacity. The fridge tends to draw down the batteries when you are dry camping. The generator charges the batteries back up with no issues, but a larger solar system would prevent the need for that.

For what it is worth, you can fit up to six 6 volt batteries in a Momentum Toy Hauler. When I need to replace my batteries in a few years I plan on upgrading from two 6 volt batteries to four. And I plan on upgrading the solar from a single 190 watt panel to three 190 watt panels.
Thanks for the info. With covid GD is putting whatever they have in their THs. I looked at the same model and one had a residential fridge and one had a rv. The one we are looking at has the rv one (norcool?). Solar will be on my list I have a Victron controller and a 100 watt panel sitting in my garage leftover from my boats solar project. But really our use case will be 90% of the time at an RV park for the first couple of years. Plan on living part time between duty stations.
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Congratulations on the beautiful momentum. We just purchased a 2021 carbon 348. Tow it with a srw f350. Towed it only one time but it towed it fine.
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