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08-06-2018, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Powrjunkey
Reminds me of all the people talking trash about ford, Chevy, dodge, whatever having crappy transmissions. Sure, the truck can pull it, but can it stop, handle turns and/or crosswinds? I wouldn’t exceed 70% of my tow rating for very long. Sure, people do it and are fine, but the lives of my family and myself are far more valuable than an overloaded rig.
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Like Powrjunkey said, except I'll add the lives of other people on the road as well.
Engine power and transmission counts for a lot but arguably more important are the original design of the truck's brakes and suspension.
I am sure there are plenty of lawyers who are anxious to file liability claims for overloaded vehicles involved in wrecks, as specified by truck and trailer manufacturers.
If a wreck should happen which involves a very expensive vehicle(s) claim, I wonder if the claim could be denied?
Remember a combined towing capacity includes the total weight of truck plus trailer plus everything in it including people, stuff, fuel & everything else.
Suppose the 2018 F150 with a 3L diesel power stroke weighs 5,000lbs with a combined towing capacity of 13,200 pounds.
Suppose the people, stuff & 26 gallons of diesel fuel carried in the truck weigh 1,000lbs with an additional 2,000 pounds of "stuff" (assuming empty tanks) in the trailer..... That leaves only 5,200 left for dry trailer weight.
It doesn't matter if air bags are used, additional helper springs or anything else one might modify a suspension, that truck/trailer combo will only allow a 5,200lb trailer to operate at 100% duty with no safety margin.
If a person operates outside of the specifications then their truck is too light, the frame, axles, bearings, and brakes are overloaded.
I hate to be so blunt but I feel very strongly about my family's safety as it relates to vehicles.
-Steve
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08-06-2018, 06:08 PM
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Pammi and I were headed to a family reunion in Maine several years ago, and there was an F150 with a 5er that was all over the road!
Doofus definitely needs to step up his truck!
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08-06-2018, 06:16 PM
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This looks grossly overloaded to me with additional weight in the back, beyond the bumper (Strong language warning).
I don't see much if any sag on the tow vehicle so I assume they are using air bags or helper springs? A load leveling hitch?
It looks like they are "doing fine" until the trailer catches the draft off the front of the truck. Things can happen pretty fast!
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08-07-2018, 09:52 AM
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Bummer. “This video is unavailable.”
I agree with everything said above.
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08-07-2018, 10:35 AM
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Does Anyone KNOW the WEIGHT of that 5er in the Post #1?
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08-07-2018, 10:46 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Powrjunkey
Bummer. “This video is unavailable.”
I agree with everything said above.
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No It is still available... just click on the U-Tube addy at the top...
Nice hood on that 379 Pete..
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08-07-2018, 10:51 AM
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I was at one of our local RV dealers not too long ago and noticed a lot of manufactures are making trailers, including 5th wheels designed for 1/2 ton trucks. I noticed Grand Design even has a 150 series line of trailers for half tons. Still not sure I would want to tow one with that light of a truck. JMHO
Mike H
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08-07-2018, 11:44 AM
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When the trailer greatly outweighs the truck your okay until your not. Like in the video shown the trailer will take control of the truck, and there is nothing you can do about it.
When you see these small trucks towing large trailers I don’t listen to what any owner says I can see for my own eyes that it looks way out of wack.
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08-07-2018, 11:53 AM
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On the way out of St George, Ut I saw a four door Jeep Wrangler towing a 30’ tandem axle TT that was so obviously exceeding the tow rating of 3500lbs. I cannot believe people think that nonsense is acceptable. If big rig drivers get cited for being over weight, why aren’t passenger vehicles. 10k lbs makes you just as dead as 50k lbs!
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08-07-2018, 04:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bneukam
When the trailer greatly outweighs the truck your okay until your not. Like in the video shown the trailer will take control of the truck, and there is nothing you can do about it.
When you see these small trucks towing large trailers I don’t listen to what any owner says I can see for my own eyes that it looks way out of wack.
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Comparing the TV weight to the trailer weight is a blanket assumption.
And it does Not work.
Remember A semi truck can weigh 15K and the trailer with its load 65K
(what does make them stable is the 35K-40K pin weight)
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08-07-2018, 05:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekanic
Comparing the TV weight to the trailer weight is a blanket assumption.
And it does Not work.
Remember A semi truck can weigh 15K and the trailer with its load 65K
(what does make them stable is the 35K-40K pin weight)
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Comparing a TT to a 18 wheeler does not work.
When a TT greatly exceeds the TV and starts swaying, no doubt it’s taking your truck for a ride.
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08-07-2018, 06:03 PM
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Should he or shouldn't he
Would grabbing the manual trailer brake lever save you in that situation when the tow vehicle starts taking a ride? I would imagine so, because it causes tension by the pulling of the trailer.
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08-07-2018, 06:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Powrjunkey
Would grabbing the manual trailer brake lever save you in that situation when the tow vehicle starts taking a ride? I would imagine so, because it causes tension by the pulling of the trailer.
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Good question....
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08-07-2018, 06:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Powrjunkey
Would grabbing the manual trailer brake lever save you in that situation when the tow vehicle starts taking a ride? I would imagine so, because it causes tension by the pulling of the trailer.
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Maybe, or maybe not. But you better be quick, and practice that motion so you don’t have to think about it, and without taking your eyes off the road.
But people coming on here to suggest it’s all right and within reason to haul a 8k plus TT with a half ton need to think twice. Do you want that responsibility on your shoulders if someone follows your recommendations and has an accident with their family inside. I wouldn’t.
I really have a hard time with pushing your TV to its limits, for the sake of camping.
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