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Old 01-09-2015, 09:55 AM   #1
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Phoenix Fuel Converter

Local Trucking Co. here in Maryland is testing two of these units in their fleet. One on a diesel and one on a V10 engine.

I was wondering if anyone out there has tested or heard of testing on the Phoenix fuel converter?

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A product for folks that know nothing about chemistry and buy lottery tickets. Ironic that it's compared to the "Holy Grail," a mythical religious artifact that's never been found or proven to exist.

"A coolant to catalyst heat exchanger. The process is designed so when large hydro carbon chains come in direct contact with the heated catalyst, the covalent bonds are broken or at least weakened, making smaller hydrocarbon chains that will evaporate and burn easier in the combustion chamber and produce more power with less fuel."

No "breaking or weakening" of hydrocarbon chains" (molecules?) will make them produce more power with less fuel. That's the job of the refining process at an oil refinery. If further refining of crude oil would produce stable, more energetic fuel don't you think oil companies would do it?

All for the low, low price of $699 - $994.

Let's wait to see what your 'local trucking company' tests report. If you really think it's great, I've got title to a bridge in NYC I can sell you......
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Old 01-09-2015, 01:21 PM   #3
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Local Trucking Co. here in Maryland is testing two of these units in their fleet. One on a diesel and one on a V10 engine.

I was wondering if anyone out there has tested or heard of testing on the Phoenix fuel converter?
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Phoenix Gas Fuel Converter - 100 Series
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Interesting reading, but I saw nothing about "Phoenix Fuel Converters" for diesel engines at the links you provided.
Did I miss something??

BTW, I agree with BFlinn181

I've been using "snake oil" for years in an attempt to increase my diesel mileage...(it doesn't work either)!
But it is less expensive than a "Phoenix Converter"...(and it's good for the environment).

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Interesting reading, but I saw nothing about "Phoenix Fuel Converters" for diesel engines at the links you provided.
Did I miss something??

BTW, I agree with BFlinn181

I've been using "snake oil" for years in an attempt to increase my diesel mileage...(it doesn't work either)!
But it is less expensive than a "Phoenix Converter"...(and it's good for the environment).

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The diesel link is for a build they do, price I heard is little over $1100.
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The diesel link is for a build they do, price I heard is little over $1100.
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Thanks.
Before I drop $1100 I'll wait to see what the test results prove, (disprove?).
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Mel S..... Yes, we are hot to see the results on these two trucks.
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IMO one important thing to do to improve mileage and power is to install a FASS fuel system. It does nothing but remove entrained air from fuel while filtering it through a primary, then .5 micron final filter.
Unfortunately FASS has discontinued the HD series pump, concentrating on the diesel light,medium truck market.
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IMO one important thing to do to improve mileage and power is to install a FASS fuel system. It does nothing but remove entrained air from fuel while filtering it through a primary, then .5 micron final filter.
Unfortunately FASS has discontinued the HD series pump, concentrating on the diesel light,medium truck market.
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Me thinks the reason that American Diesel Performance, (the manufacturer of the FASS "miracle mileage and power diesel fuel filter system"), has discontinued the HD series and is "concentrating on the diesel light, medium truck market".... is because they could not find enough customers suckers in the MH and heavy truck markets??
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The US government is all over diesel engine builders to clean them up. Don`t you think if any of this stuff worked, it would be mainstreamed into the engines?
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The US government is all over diesel engine builders to clean them up. Don`t you think if any of this stuff worked, it would be mainstreamed into the engines?
They've achieved this with the DEF injection system now used on most of the newer diesels. emissions are almost 100% clean... no foul diesel smell coming from the exhaust, no smoke, no oily contaminants. I can stand behind my MH and can't smell a thing - have to listen to tell if it's running!
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Oh, not with magnets or removing entrained air. My point exactly.
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The US government is all over diesel engine builders to clean them up. Don`t you think if any of this stuff worked, it would be mainstreamed into the engines?


I went through the FASS website, it's a fuel pump and a couple of filters. Filters out dirt, (already done by 2 filters in the system) water, (also already covered by the water separator) and air. (?? I thought the concept of the turbo was to introduce MORE air into the cylinder to burn the fuel) Oh, and I can't forget the "Performance Radius Cuts" to make the "fuel flow smooth and freely to the injectors."

This information oddly isn't easily accessible through the link Ray provided, It's found here:

Best Diesel Fuel Pumps | Fassride.com - The Diesel Performance Experts

Ray's link take you to "...fassride.com/default/aspx" which doesn't access the explanations or videos about the products. Google took me to "...fastride.com/index.php" which did. No, I don't think Ray was trying to mislead!

Millions of dollars are spent in engine design and development of cleaner, more efficient engines. Sorry, my opinion is that only conspiracy type folks convinced that 100 mpg carburetors and magical miracle developments are being shelved to increase oil and engine manufacturer profits are buying these things. Oh, you'll see an increase in mileage because your driving habits will change to increase mileage, not the device.
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I have seen countless devices claiming to do what this one claims to do,, I have even seen one such device domenstrated.

I also figured out how the demo was rigged,, but then I majored in sciences, and have some small experience working on engines (old farm boy type).

I'm sensing a slippery (Well oiled) Snake here.
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regular unleaded gasoline is 114100 btu per gal. or for the newer electric heads 33.44 kwh/gal.
diesel#2 is 129500 btu per gal. or 37.95 kwh/gal
ask the Phoenix fuel converter people if they can change those numbers without adding any additional energy
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