$25/month unlimited internet....interested?

[Jerryss2]

Originally Posted by tetranz

Here's a random blog post. https://jv.ag/blog/GLinet-TTL-Change/

It's basically go into the router admin and put this in the custom firewall rules.

iptables -t mangle -I POSTROUTING 1 -j TTL --ttl-set 65

I don't have a gl.iNet so I haven't tried it on one of those devices. I'm using my own home built device with a Raspberry Pi to do the same thing. It fools the system into thinking you're on the phone rather than tethering. It seems to work for now.

I made the change and speed went from 5mbps, to 11mbps!

thank you!

( do I need To run a vpn? Will visible/Verizon cancel me? )

[tetranz]

Originally Posted by Jerryss2

I made the change and speed went from 5mbps, to 11mbps!

thank you!

( do I need To run a vpn? Will visible/Verizon cancel me? )

Wow, that's good news. I'm pleased it worked.

As for needing a VPN, I don't think there's any real chance of the account being cancelled. This is about the most benign thing you can do compared to other stuff people do like putting the SIM in a router and changing the IMEI etc. I'm not even sure if it breaks the TOS since they're using such a simple way to detect tethering and there's nothing to really say what the correct TTL of a router or tethered computer should or shouldn't be.

Obviously none of us know for sure but I think the worst that might happen is that they'll get smarter at detecting tethering and you'll be back to 5 Mbps. I've seen mention of "deep packet inspection". They can see your browser strings when you hit a http rather than a https site and figure out that it's not a phone etc. A VPN solves that. I guess they could detect VPNs and automatically assume you're tethering and therefore throttle to 5.

[slabman]

There seems to be a lot of differing definitions of "tethering" on this thread. I know when I checked with Visible they said I could only tether one device, but usb tethering to a router was fine. No speed limits. Using WiFi tethering is not going to give favorable results. So now I am really confused over all the various comments on this thread lately. Let's try to better define our terms so we can get an accurate grip on this Visible thing.

BTW...I just did a couple of Speedtest checks on my Galaxy Note 8 (I know...it's not on their list, but some tweaking of the apns did the trick) and got 20 and 12 mbps down-no tethering on this one. So the 5 mbps limit isn't applying to me...yet!

[KenZ71]

Mikrotik RB750Gr3 will support USB tethering

About $50 on eBay or Amazon

[tetranz]

Originally Posted by slabman

There seems to be a lot of differing definitions of "tethering" on this thread. I know when I checked with Visible they said I could only tether one device, but usb tethering to a router was fine. No speed limits. Using WiFi tethering is not going to give favorable results. So now I am really confused over all the various comments on this thread lately. Let's try to better define our terms so we can get an accurate grip on this Visible thing.

I think the terms are kind of vague. Most people probably refer to the USB approach as tethering and a wifi connection as hotspot but they're conceptually the same thing, just a different means of connection. I don't think the carrier can tell which one you're using.

I don't think there is any particular reason why using wifi shouldn't give favorable results. If the wifi connection itself is faster than the internet speed then it's not a limiting factor but it's probably true to say that the less number of wireless signals floating around the better, especially if you use a router with "WiFi as WAN" to connect to a phone hotspot and then the router provides its own wifi on the LAN side.

[ransil]

Originally Posted by tetranz

Here's a random blog post. https://jv.ag/blog/GLinet-TTL-Change/

It's basically go into the router admin and put this in the custom firewall rules.

iptables -t mangle -I POSTROUTING 1 -j TTL --ttl-set 65

I don't have a gl.iNet so I haven't tried it on one of those devices. I'm using my own home built device with a Raspberry Pi to do the same thing. It fools the system into thinking you're on the phone rather than tethering. It seems to work for now.

just changed mine before change 5 tests in a row were 5 mps +/- after was 8-13mps using the Z2 phone and GL router.

pdanet is about the same on my S9 tether to my PC

[Spdracr39]

I used a VPN and changed the TTL's on my Mofi and still 5 down. With the sim in the phone it is 15-20 down. I'm gonna have to get an android phone to tether with looks like. PDA Net won't work on an iphone without jailbreaking.

[Jet2RV]

Originally Posted by slabman

There seems to be a lot of differing definitions of "tethering" on this thread. I know when I checked with Visible they said I could only tether one device, but usb tethering to a router was fine. No speed limits. Using WiFi tethering is not going to give favorable results. So now I am really confused over all the various comments on this thread lately. Let's try to better define our terms so we can get an accurate grip on this Visible thing.

BTW...I just did a couple of Speedtest checks on my Galaxy Note 8 (I know...it's not on their list, but some tweaking of the apns did the trick) and got 20 and 12 mbps down-no tethering on this one. So the 5 mbps limit isn't applying to me...yet!

To me, "tethering" is physically connected, ie. USB cable. What some people call wifi tethered, the GL calls a "Repeater".

[dkperez]

Slabman, I wouldn't say NOT to get the Moto G, but I'm using both a ZTE A7 Prime and a Moto G7 Power, and neither is exactly blazing fast. The Moto G7 is USUALLY slightly faster, but when things compost here, they both turn into bricks.


I think your throughput is FAR more reliant on the signal in the 2 square feet where the phones are sitting... 10 feet away it appears it can be drastically different.


And, FWIW, with the ancient Samsung Galaxy S5 phones we were using on Verizon, our data speeds were easily, and consistently at least TWICE what we get on Visible. Verizon says are signal here is GREAT, and the GS5s routinely had 30-35 Mb/s, where I've NEVER seen either phone on visible go over 15 Mb/s. Other people report drastically higher speeds.

[slabman]

Originally Posted by tetranz

I think the terms are kind of vague. Most people probably refer to the USB approach as tethering and a wifi connection as hotspot but they're conceptually the same thing, just a different means of connection. I don't think the carrier can tell which one you're using.

I don't think there is any particular reason why using wifi shouldn't give favorable results. If the wifi connection itself is faster than the internet speed then it's not a limiting factor but it's probably true to say that the less number of wireless signals floating around the better, especially if you use a router with "WiFi as WAN" to connect to a phone hotspot and then the router provides its own wifi on the LAN side.

My current AT&T plan does NOT have WiFi hotspotting enabled, so I cannot use that to feed a TV when streaming. BUT...when I connect my lightning to HDMI adapter to my iPhone, I can get a feed to stream TV shows. So it appears AT&T can''t distinguish between the two. The AT&T rep had told me USB tethering wasn't visible to them, so this is apparently the case.

I need to slip my Visible sim into that iPhone and see if the same thing applies...I suspect it will. But overall, the Visible feed is pretty shaky...it DOES vary within a few feet of location and frankly, I find it not that useable for streaming. It just is what it is...

I think my next approach is to get another AT&T sim in an iPad for $20/mo (cheaper than Visible) and use it along with my current cell plan..that will give me 200GB/month when traveling. And I'm fairly sure AT&T isn't going to shut me down or throttle much if I DO go over that amount. I'll keep the wife's phone on Visible for the times the AT&T signal is non-existent.

[docj]

Originally Posted by slabman

My current AT&T plan does NOT have WiFi hotspotting enabled, so I cannot use that to feed a TV when streaming. BUT...when I connect my lightning to HDMI adapter to my iPhone, I can get a feed to stream TV shows. So it appears AT&T can''t distinguish between the two. The AT&T rep had told me USB tethering wasn't visible to them, so this is apparently the case.

Many (most?) carriers detect hotspot usage by look at a variable called TTL (Time to Live). For every transfer of a data packet to another device is considered a "hop". Each hop reduces the TTL by "one". Using a hotspot adds a hop for any data being used "off" the phone. Connecting a router to a hotspot will add yet another hop. It's my understanding that hops are added both "going" and "coming" every time a packet moves from one device to another.

Using the iPhone's Lightning port doesn't result in an extra hop for the data packet. All the data processing is done in the phone. Only HDMI display information is being passed through the cable. Therefore, the data used is not subject to any hotspot limitations.

Joel (AKA docj)

[mfredm]

I looked in my Router, a Gli-Net AR750s at the aforementioned settings for changing the TTL value, and that line does not exist in the Script Window. Is it somewhere else? On a side note, my 2 week long 5MB throttle disappeared this morning and I'm back up to 30M. For now.

[Jerryss2]

Originally Posted by mfredm

I looked in my Router, a Gli-Net AR750s at the aforementioned settings for changing the TTL value, and that line does not exist in the Script Window. Is it somewhere else? On a side note, my 2 week long 5MB throttle disappeared this morning and I'm back up to 30M. For now.

I added it to my router, and doubled my speed

See this for directions: https://jv.ag/blog/GLinet-TTL-Change/

[mfredm]

I dont have that line that starts with #T Mo Hotspot throttel.