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Old 09-16-2021, 10:03 AM   #1
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Well, after 3 months I'm finally in a spot that the Phone (BladeX1 5G) says is full on 5G. 5 bars signal strength, and I am in line of sight of the tower. I am not impressed. During busy hours I average around 30M/bs, and after hours around 70M/bs. I have seen much higher speeds on 4G/LTE. I'm in a rural area outside of Houston, traffic may be an issue. But on the drive here I ran through several 5G spots, that I stopped and took a speed test, and they were all very low, around 10Mbs. For reference, my neighbor is on a grandfathered 4G ATT plan with her sim in a Router, and she is getting over 100Mbs, all day long.
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Old 09-16-2021, 10:16 AM   #2
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Where I live I'm on the edge of a Verizon 5G spot, when my phone locks in to that 5G signal I might as well have no signal at all, it is slow to the point of being unusable. I must be on the very ragged edge of that signal, where there isn't really enough signal to push data, just enough to make the phone think there is. I love a way to turn off the 5G antenna to force it back to 4G, but there doesn't seem to be one. Most of the time it happens when I'm at home, so I just switch over to my home wifi, but every now and then I get the same issue when out, which means my phone is basically unusable. I've gotten to the point that I cringe when I see that I'm on a 5G signal because that COULD mean that it's much worse than 3G.
I've been in places with a GOOD 5G signal and it's smokin' fast, but that's the exception, not the rule.
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Old 09-16-2021, 11:12 AM   #3
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That's exactly what I'm afraid of. The Blade got updated a month ago to B14, which removed the option of turning off 5G. With the old B13, you could disable 5G. That worked in Phoenix, where the 4G was way faster then the 5G.
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Reminds me of the trick that many people used back when there was still a lot of 3G around, and that is disabling crowded LTE bands and seeing faster speeds on 3G. Some things never change.
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These are the properties I read about concerning 5G:

Any given 5G radio will have shorter range and suffer more due to objects interfering between tower and phone.

Of course number of channels with enough capacity also plays in. One 5G channel will be slower than 4 4G channels.

The amount of traffic on a given channel can slow transmission.

Most high end phones have 4 4G antenna and thus can use 4 channels. The phones also scan available channels for channels less in use and connect to those.

I have always presumed 5G phones would do the same and select 4G channels when they are faster. Apparently not.

Also, I think Visible uses Verizon towers and of course ATT uses ATT towers. So comparing the two may not be helpful.
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One of the major advantages of 5G is its ability to use larger amounts of contiguous spectrum to produce higher data speeds. This capability won't be fully utilized until the new 3.5 GHz bands become available over the next several years, and until then 5G must share spectrum with 4G (carriers would like to re-farm as much existing legacy spectrum as possible to 5G as quickly as the user base supports it which is why we are seeing lots of 5G device deals and carriers trying to move traffic there as soon as possible.)

But for several reasons including that mentioned above we aren't going to experience true sub-6 5G speeds for a while. When they finally arrive they will be impressive, but in the meantime expect some disappointment as 5G continues to be oversold by marketing departments.
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....until then 5G must share spectrum with 4G (carriers would like to re-farm as much existing legacy spectrum as possible to 5G as quickly as the user base supports it which is why we are seeing lots of 5G device deals and carriers trying to move traffic there as soon as possible.)
This "sharing" of frequency spectrum between LTE and 5G is called Dynamic Spectrum Sharing (DSS). As smiller says this is an "evolution" which will eventually produce some impressive speeds but that is still a ways in the future.

Less than a year ago, the CTO of Verizon described its DSS results as: Were extremely pleased with where we are right now with DSS performance. In many cases, it works better than 4G would. Most of the time, its on par, and every once and a while, you get a little bit less....."

To my way of thinking those results don't compel me to run out and replace all my hardware with 5G capable stuff!

Here's a link to the full statement by the CTO: https://www.fiercewireless.com/opera...ss-performance
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Yes of course you are right, but put something out there that is new and shiny and most every one wants it......
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Our Visible signal and performance has greatly declined, and it started with the 5g rollout here.
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We were just talking about 5g. We think which ever phone first needs replacement we will switch to 5g and use that phone as the hot spot.

It not worth it to run after a technology at the bleeding edge. Unless It fixes a problem. Where we live there is no 5g and most likly will be that way for 5+ years. So it would be all about travel.

So it's a few years off.
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An article in todays Washington Post confirms what I have suspected. Verizon 5G is just a band-aid to assuage customers until they can roll out bigger and better spectrums in December. In nationwide tests, Verizon 5G performed equal to or slightly better than 4G, but not the dramatic increases that is advertised. The good news is that Verizons 5G equipment has longer range off the tower, and better penetrations' of buildings and walls.
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An article in todays Washington Post confirms what I have suspected. Verizon 5G is just a band-aid to assuage customers until they can roll out bigger and better spectrums in December. In nationwide tests, Verizon 5G performed equal to or slightly better than 4G, but not the dramatic increases that is advertised. The good news is that Verizons 5G equipment has longer range off the tower, and better penetrations' of buildings and walls.
As I've been saying for months, the 5G being rolled out across the country has nothing in common with the ultra-high speed 5G that was being discussed a year or two ago. That was millimeter-wave 5G which does offer the potential for extremely high speeds but it is very short range and is much better suited for use in dense urban areas than it is in the rest of the country.

The 5G that most of us are experiencing is called DSS 5G which stands for Dynamic Spectrum Sharing which means that the 5G is using part of the bandwidth already allocated for 4G LTE. What this means is that some of the time the speeds of both 4G and 5G signals will be slower than if all the spectrum had been used by the 4G.

Fortunately, the major carriers plan on opening up new bands in the 2-6 GHz region which should improve connection speeds. Furthermore, as customers switch to 5G phones, the amount of the DSS spectrum being used for 4G can be reduced which will further increase speeds.
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Here's the video explanation of the different 5G scenario's from MIRC

https://youtu.be/I_cMRCXOjwQ
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