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Old 11-27-2020, 10:03 PM   #1
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Anyone Using a Load Balancing Router

I have a Visible phone tethered to an GL-iNet Slate (GL-AR750S) Gigabit Wi-Fi Router. I'm also using a weBoost Drive X signal booster to maximize cell signals. The Visible service is adequate when we travel, but sometimes I feel the need for speed. LOL What I'd like to do is capture more than one internet "signal" and funnel it through a Wi-Fi Router. For example, I'd like the ability to connect the Visible hotspot, my phones hotspot and maybe a local Wi-Fi signal. The idea is all inputs would be combined to provide more bandwidth. I know they can do something like this in commercial applications. I believe it's called load balancing but that may not be the correct term. Does anyone know of, or have any ideas, if this can be accomplished in an RV setup?
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I use a Wifi Ranger Aspen and it does just that. Twice this summer it give me usable speeds for work when otherwise I would not have been able to.

IMHO the price is very reasonable.

I know there is a rep for these products on here.
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How well load balancing will work for you will depend on what you're after in terms of speed and what sort of work you do. In terms of speed, given two connections both operating at speed X, the fastest a given download (or upload) will happen is still X. What it WILL do is allow more than one of those to go at the same time. (Not 2X the speed, but 2X the total bandwidth for multiple applications.) If you're streaming this can make a big difference as the streaming can happen through one of those connections, while the other network traffic happens through the other. The streaming connection isn't any faster, but it's not being shared.

Make sense?

Practically speaking, this will speed up things like web browsing immensely as that tends to involve lots of smaller downloads happening simultaneously for the various page assets (JS, images, HTML, etc.). If your work involves large file transfers, that won't speed up much though as that can happen only over a single connection. The only thing you save in that case is whatever other traffic might have been sharing that connection.

Issues: If you're using two different providers, or even a single provider, your traffic will come from two different IP addresses. Some websites that are especially sensitive to security (some banks, some corporate VPNs, things like that) will see what appears to be an unexpected IP address change on your end as your requests switch from one connection to the other, and block you out of fear someone is trying to hijack your connection or do a MITM attack on you (Man In The Middle). If you use the same provider for both connections, those IP addresses would be in the same block, which will sometimes they will permit. Whether you encounter that issue or not will depend on what you do and how security-sensitive whoever setup that environment is.

FWIW, I've used a load balancing router in my S&B for work while the kids attend school remotely, but ran into the issue above. Instead, I just separated out the traffic. I now use a hotspot of my own for work, and the kids use the load balanced router.
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There is a difference between load balancing and binding..
Balancing just keeps you in the best signal....seamlessly.....
Binding or bonding .. combines ..... For speed etc..

Binding routers are pricey and specialized... There are a few open source software and or China routers that can be scripted or setup to bind..

I am experimenting with binding inside of a mikrotik LTE dual sim... Using instructions from their normal routers that can bind Ethernet wans.... I will try again today after 2 trys . I get one to work.. I may use one LTE sim and one source from my gli...
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https://speedify.com/blog/combining-...oad-balancing/

This explains it a it..
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How well load balancing will work for you will depend on what you're after in terms of speed and what sort of work you do.
Until I started digging around into how video streaming works, I couldn't understand why load balancing seemed to improve my ability to stream even when my internet connections were rather slow.

What I learned is that video streaming is more like a "bucket filling" activity rather than the continuous stream I had envisioned. It's sort of like keeping water in a bucket while there's a hole in the bottom letting it drain out. If you can put water in faster than it drains out you can maintain a water level in the bucket, despite the hole.

With video streaming, as long as you can keep a little water in the bucket you can maintain an uninterrupted video stream. Where load balancing comes in is that many of the video streaming services can use multiple TCP calls, essentially multiple internet connections, as sources to fill the bucket. So having multiple load balanced connections can really help.

This might sound a bit crazy since most of us think about a video stream as a continuous flow of data and it's difficult to understand how filling a bucket with multiple data streams can result in a watchable video. But all the data dumped into the "bucket" has identifying information on it that allows it to be "assembled" in the correct order as it flows out of the bucket, thereby recreating the original video.

So the bottom line is that Load Balancing can improve your ability to stream video without requiring the use of a VPN which might be blocked by some streaming services.

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How well load balancing will work for you will depend on what you're after in terms of speed and what sort of work you do. In terms of speed, given two connections both operating at speed X, the fastest a given download (or upload) will happen is still X. What it WILL do is allow more than one of those to go at the same time. (Not 2X the speed, but 2X the total bandwidth for multiple applications.) If you're streaming this can make a big difference as the streaming can happen through one of those connections, while the other network traffic happens through the other. The streaming connection isn't any faster, but it's not being shared.

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I guess my understanding of load balancing was a little different in that it would utilize and combine the various inputs to achieve faster speeds. For example, If I had both Verizon and AT&T it would choose the carrier with the highest bandwidth as the primary and the other as a secondary. On the surface, it seemed like a good idea, but maybe not so much.
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I don't think the hassles would be worth the gain. I already have enough problems with financial institutions and google searches when the VPN is turned on.
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I guess my understanding of load balancing was a little different in that it would utilize and combine the various inputs to achieve faster speeds. For example, If I had both Verizon and AT&T it would choose the carrier with the highest bandwidth as the primary and the other as a secondary. On the surface, it seemed like a good idea, but maybe not so much.
As I tried to explain in my post, load balancing can have substantial positive benefit even if it doesn't "combine" the speeds of multiple connections. I have both Verizon and AT&T hotspots which I use together to improve my streaming experience.
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As I tried to explain in my post, load balancing can have substantial positive benefit even if it doesn't "combine" the speeds of multiple connections. I have both Verizon and AT&T hotspots which I use together to improve my streaming experience.
I spent the day half night research and playing with my mikrotik..

As docj states regular load balance is a help with most streaming. Netflix uses its own algorithm to improve stream at times load balance may not help that service. I noticed that Netflix would stream almost any of the 3 services I thru at the testing. YouTube.. Tubi.. Amazon liked my better connection. Using a load balance or my almost bond. Throughput was improved. I had a mint doing 16 DL. Verizon mifi at 21dl.. I saw 28 to mid 30s on 3 test platforms. One read the packets etc. Showed errors etc. With video and some downloads. I saw speed like I was home at Comcast.
My rural house us like rv boon dock. Lol. 1 mile or so from ATT. T-Mobile tower. 5 miles from Verizon. No line of site..

So yes load balance can help the rv monger.. Many factors apply... But like any of this in the ice cream store ..some like vanilla and some chocolate . others like a twist and the rest may like raspberry...
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As I tried to explain in my post, load balancing can have substantial positive benefit even if it doesn't "combine" the speeds of multiple connections. I have both Verizon and AT&T hotspots which I use together to improve my streaming experience.
docj, I read your post and it sounds like it may be enough of an improvement to try it, now that I have a better understanding of what it does. I read up on the router I have and it appears it has the capability to allow multiple internet sources. We leave next week and will be traveling for a few months. That should really give me time to test the current setup against a load balanced setup.
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As I tried to explain in my post, load balancing can have substantial positive benefit even if it doesn't "combine" the speeds of multiple connections. I have both Verizon and AT&T hotspots which I use together to improve my streaming experience.
So what type and model of router would a person use to n me she use of the load balancing effect for better streaming?
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I spent the day half night research and playing with my mikrotik..

As docj states regular load balance is a help with most streaming. Netflix uses its own algorithm to improve stream at times load balance may not help that service. I noticed that Netflix would stream almost any of the 3 services I thru at the testing. YouTube.. Tubi.. Amazon liked my better connection. Using a load balance or my almost bond. Throughput was improved. I had a mint doing 16 DL. Verizon mifi at 21dl.. I saw 28 to mid 30s on 3 test platforms. One read the packets etc. Showed errors etc. With video and some downloads. I saw speed like I was home at Comcast.
My rural house us like rv boon dock. Lol. 1 mile or so from ATT. T-Mobile tower. 5 miles from Verizon. No line of site..

So yes load balance can help the rv monger.. Many factors apply... But like any of this in the ice cream store ..some like vanilla and some chocolate . others like a twist and the rest may like raspberry...

You've done some useful research here. The effect of load balancing on streaming is clearly dependent on what streaming service you are connected to. Of the several streaming services we have accounts with, Britbox seems to have the most primitive system. In contrast, I find Netflix's capabilities to be the best in the business.

It's also worth noting that streaming live video, such as one encounters on YouTube TV appears to be more difficult than streaming prerecorded content. That's probably because prerecorded shows can be pre-processed to indicate content that can be "cut" during streaming playback. That's right, it's technically feasible for content providers to analyze video down to the frame by frame level to determine which frames can be cut without much effect. That's not to say that this is done all the time, but the technical sophistication exists for it to be done.

One other thing that I've noticed is that if your internet connection is performing well even a service such as Netflix might not use your load balanced connections even if they are available. For example, last night I was looking at my real-time usage display and noticed that I was only using my Verizon connection and not my AT&T one. I checked to make sure the AT&T was working (and it was) but the video continued almost entirely being "fed" off of my Verizon connection. It wasn't as if that was providing superfast data, but it was sufficient for the 720p stream that I was viewing.

If you're a technical "geek", like me you can learn a lot, and have fun, playing with your load balanced video connections!

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Rather than relying on the opinions of any one person, I strongly recommend you read some of the material available on the Mobile Internet Resource Center (MIRC) website. The site is run by knowledgeable people who aren't affiliated with any manufacturer; therefore, they provide unbiased information. Some of the material is free and some requires a subscription. You can find the MIRC website here: https://www.rvmobileinternet.com/
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