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Old 12-24-2021, 04:57 PM   #1
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We have a 21 London Aire w/ WiFi Ranger Denali and Spruce. I do not use the cellular SIM card included due to plan design and pricing. I do use RV park WiFi and or tether my iPhone on Verizon. This is not a WiFi Ranger hate post.

I have a unlimited business account with Verizon.

We are going to be traveling for 90 days this summer and I need to work from the road. Email, Zoom, VIOP phone calls, access multiple web based platforms including cloud storage.

Streaming would be nice but we also have a dish satellite setup

I am reasonably good at using tech but by no means an expert.

Function, speed, data levels are priority over price.

So, which cellular router? 4g or 5g.
Duel carrier ?
Which two carriers?
What data plans?

I have spent time looking at Pepwave products, mobile must have.com, and rvmobileinternet.com

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I am in a similar position we are 125 days out from a 4 month trip doing 9000 miles. I am leaning towards a Pepwave Max Transit Duo Cat 12 LTE Advanced Router. With two Visible plans. We will be able to carrier bond 3 bands on each plan at the same time with double modems. So six bonded bands. The router can connect to an impressive antenna with 4 x4 MIMO. It also had two Wi-Fi antennas. We will have access to pep waveís Speed Fusion which does many thing to improve not just speed but reliability. Like Non glitchy zoom calls. Itís pricey over a grand with antenna. But should last a long time. Reliability is really the big thing sped is easier to come by it seems. We also mapped out all our campsites using cellmapper.com
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I am in a similar position we are 125 days out from a 4 month trip doing 9000 miles. I am leaning towards a Pepwave Max Transit Duo Cat 12 LTE Advanced Router. With two Visible plans. We will be able to carrier bond 3 bands on each plan at the same time with double modems. So six bonded bands. The router can connect to an impressive antenna with 4 x4 MIMO. It also had two Wi-Fi antennas. We will have access to pep waveís Speed Fusion which does many thing to improve npiot just speed but reliability. Like Non glitchy zoom calls. Itís pricey over a grand with antenna. But should last a long time. Reliability is really the big thing sped is easier to come by it seems. We also mapped out all our campsites using cellmapper.com
With all due respect, after spending all that money to get excellent hardware, why would you get two Visible plans? I would have thought you would have wanted plans with two different carriers. And, other than for price, why Visible? My post-paid Verizon plan is now delivering LTE download speeds >100Mbps on my Pixel 6. With Visible you'll be on the Verizon network, but I'd be surprised if you'll get speeds like that.
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It would seem that T mobile has to be one of the carriers for any chance of real 5g.

Question: Peplink Pepwave MAX BR1 Pro 5G seems to have dual sim capacity but only one modem. Do I not need a dual modem unit to run dual carriers. I am thinking T Mobile and Verizon. I guess in need help in understanding dual modem advantages. In my small brain, a single modem is connecting to one carrier at a time and using the second sim as a fail safe. In a dual modem, could possibly be connected for data aggregation and optimization. This this correct or am I making too much of it.

Last question, it seems the current Qualcomm modem is behind in routers for 5G, is this correct. Thus, should I just get a dual 4glte set up and wait for the eventual real 5G rollout?

Sorry in advance for the simpleminded questions.

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With all due respect, after spending all that money to get excellent hardware, why would you get two Visible plans? I would have thought you would have wanted plans with two different carriers. And, other than for price, why Visible? My post-paid Verizon plan is now delivering LTE download speeds >100Mbps on my Pixel 6. With Visible you'll be on the Verizon network, but I'd be surprised if you'll get speeds like that.
I'm inclined to agree with docj's logic on you carrier choices. I presently use AT&T as my primary & Verizon as my back up.
I would also question why you would go with the Dual Modem CAT-12 with a significant price differential on the base unit & the annual Prime Care subscription over a CAT-18. The CAT-18 has better specs (speed, throughput, etc.). For my use (full time & work from my RV), I chose the higher speed & lower ongoing price of the CAT-18 (base price, Prime Care subscription, & number of SIM cards 4) over the dual modem CAT-12. Your mileage may vary.
The 5G vs 4G discussion can get interesting. As I understand it, the 5G rollout may be delayed by some carriers due to FAA interference. Some Peplink 5G units are not yet certified for use on major carriers. To take advantage of the best of current 5G offerings, you need to be in larger metropolitan areas.
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Old 12-25-2021, 07:45 AM   #6
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Anybody have any experience with the DIGI x50 5G. Seems priced about the market, 4&5 G possibility, Cat 20 and Wfif 6. Certified on ATT and T-Mobile

Similar Pepwave seems to have better form factor, for durability and cooling, same price.
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It would seem that T mobile has to be one of the carriers for any chance of real 5g.

Question: Peplink Pepwave MAX BR1 Pro 5G seems to have dual sim capacity but only one modem. Do I not need a dual modem unit to run dual carriers. I am thinking T Mobile and Verizon. I guess in need help in understanding dual modem advantages. In my small brain, a single modem is connecting to one carrier at a time and using the second sim as a fail safe. In a dual modem, could possibly be connected for data aggregation and optimization. This this correct or am I making too much of it.

Last question, it seems the current Qualcomm modem is behind in routers for 5G, is this correct. Thus, should I just get a dual 4glte set up and wait for the eventual real 5G rollout?

Sorry in advance for the simpleminded questions.

JD

The dual modem device, in theory, will provide multiple carrier aggregation as well as a faster fail over if one of your carriers goes down. You will not double the speed. They stress reliability/redundancy as the advantage of the dual modem device. With a dual SIM, single modem router, it takes about a minute to switch over to a different carrier. Think about a practical use of this capability in a RV & what it does or does not provide to you for the additional price. Also, you need to be aware of what is available & how to utilize your Prime Care subscription so as to mitigate reliability & redundancy issues. The Peplink products have a very comprehensive & intuitive UI & afford the user a lot of flexibility.

All of the models you have mentioned provide band aggregation from a single carrier. All of the models probably come with a 1 year Prime Care subscription. Look at the price for the 2nd year & out.

To the best of my knowledge the Peplink MAX BR1 Pro 5G is not currently certified for use on the Verizon network. Several users have been successful with pre-existing Verizon data plans. Not sure if anyone has activated a new line/data plan with Verizon.
With regards to the Qualcom chip. Information I have read seems to indicate not many of the modem/router manufacturers have incorporated the latest chip into their products. This is the chip that will allow all of the 5G bells & whistles. That makes sense as many of the carriers don't have the infrastructure to support it anyway.

There are some interesting discussions on the Peplink forum (as well as other forums) on these subjects.
IMHO, the Peplink CAT-18 is the sweet spot for price & performance with the Peplink product line for use in a RV. I would wait until 5G cellular data offerings have matured & the manufacturers are utilizing the chips to take full advantage of 5G.
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Thank you! Very helpful.
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I'd take a strong look at Insty Connect.

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...=insty+connect

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It would seem that T mobile has to be one of the carriers for any chance of real 5g.



Question: Peplink Pepwave MAX BR1 Pro 5G seems to have dual sim capacity but only one modem. Do I not need a dual modem unit to run dual carriers. I am thinking T Mobile and Verizon. I guess in need help in understanding dual modem advantages. In my small brain, a single modem is connecting to one carrier at a time and using the second sim as a fail safe. In a dual modem, could possibly be connected for data aggregation and optimization. This this correct or am I making too much of it.



Last question, it seems the current Qualcomm modem is behind in routers for 5G, is this correct. Thus, should I just get a dual 4glte set up and wait for the eventual real 5G rollout?



Sorry in advance for the simpleminded questions.



JD


I got this link from Mobilemusthave yesterday for a Pepwave Max Transit Pro E. It is a new release of the Max Transit Pro series and has dual modems. It may be worth taking a look at.

https://youtu.be/bKJQzRv9op0
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Peplink Max Transit of some flavor and _appropriate rooftop antenae_ and coax. You could supplement that with a directional antenna setup to be deployed if needed. Verizon and ATT. And accept that where you go is going to be dictated by connectivity.

Many reviews on campgroundreviews.com now have cell service ratings.
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With all due respect, after spending all that money to get excellent hardware, why would you get two Visible plans? I would have thought you would have wanted plans with two different carriers. And, other than for price, why Visible? My post-paid Verizon plan is now delivering LTE download speeds >100Mbps on my Pixel 6. With Visible you'll be on the Verizon network, but I'd be surprised if you'll get speeds like that.


This my current thinking for our situation. Could end up being wrong. For us speed is not necessary anything over 5 Mgb and we can do what we need. Remote desktops and video chat. My wife will be working all online. Verizon plans have caps then can get slow. Visible has a trade off only one connection at a time and you never get super fast speeds. But that is okay for our needs. I am of the understanding that Visible is a Verizon company. We will test this all out at our home soon which get barely any cell coverage on Verizon and zero ATT. I studied all the campsites ATT never had much on Verizon. I will consider an ATT business account which comes with similar trade offs as Visible. Again for us speed is not as important as reliability.
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Peplink Max Transit of some flavor and _appropriate rooftop antenae_ and coax. You could supplement that with a directional antenna setup to be deployed if needed. Verizon and ATT. And accept that where you go is going to be dictated by connectivity.

Many reviews on campgroundreviews.com now have cell service ratings.

As an FYI.... Have been using my Peplink with only the included paddle antennas since May, 2020 with no issues. Granted, I've not been in any locations I would consider remote for cellular coverage as I travel primarily east of the Mississippi.
If one goes with one of the more advanced Peplink devices, there is more than one antenna connection. In my case there are 7.

While I don't disagree a directional antenna might improve a signal from a remote tower, I'm not sure how they handle band aggregation. In reviewing various forums, people are attaining mixed results with outside antennas with the more advanced models. I have yet to install my omni directional antenna, so I can't opine on any results.
It boils down to what do you want, what can you get by (really need) with & how much are you willing to spend for the difference between the two.
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It boils down to what do you want, what can you get by (really need) with & how much are you willing to spend for the difference between the two.
Well put! IMHO there are people who are spending more than is necessary to get that last "dB" of extra signal strength regardless of whether or not it provides appreciable benefit.

Digital cellular devices operate over a range of >50 dB in signal strength. That's a factor of >100,000 for those who aren't conversant with dB's. Whether or not you need to spend $$ to get that last little bit of signal is something only you can decide.

If you do decide to go for fancy antennas and amplifiers, always be sure to check your reception with and without that stuff since some of it isn't consistent with carrier aggregation and your bottom line result may be worse with it than without it.
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