Dish Network Customers losing East/West Feeds

[LindaH]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I can't speak for Dish but Direct TV requires the waiver for your RV because you cannot keep a telephone line hooked to your receiver at all times which is a term of the contract when you subscribe to Direct TV. It has nothing to do with the DNS availability. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The RV Waiver that you complete has nothing to do with receivers not being hooked up to a phone line. The reason for the waiver is so that mobile users (RVers and truck driver's) can receive DNS (Distant Network Service).

Take a look at DirecTV's RV Waiver and you'll see what I mean.

[LindaH]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">To take the receiver out of the house to the R/V and use it there without the suppliers knowledge is illegal and under handed and just plain WRONG! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about the purpose of an RV Waiver -- whose SOLE purpose is to provide DNS (Distant Network Service) to mobile users (RVers and truck drivers). When you sign an RV Waiver, you are attesting to the fact that the dish and the receiver are being used ONLY in a mobile application.

If you don't care about receiving DNS in your RV, then there's no reason why you can't take the receiver in your house and put it in your RV when you travel. However, what you're NOT supposed to do is use the receiver that's in your RV -- AND IS RECEIVING DNS -- in your house.

Note on the RV Waiver (link in my post above) it says: "I attest that the satellite antenna to be used to receive this programming [i.e., Distant Network Service from Los Angeles and New York] is attached to, and the system receiver is located in, this vehicle (which is a motor vehicle or commercial truck and not a boat or any other kind of marine vessel), and is not intended for use in a fixed dwelling residence."

[Hitchhiker]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If you don't care about receiving DNS in your RV, then there's no reason why you can't take the receiver in your house and put it in your RV when you travel. However, what you're NOT supposed to do is use the receiver that's in your RV -- AND IS RECEIVING DNS -- in your house. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good explanation, I think I understand it now. I had it all backward thinking they cared about the non DNS house receiver.

Thanks for taking the time and putting forth the effort to explain.

[Oemtech]

I just switched to Directv. The conversion was pretty simple. First swap out the receivers. Normally you remove the old dish and install the new one. But, if you have Dish 500 a dual LNB you can just use the 110 feed for Directv. Just change the skew to 90 degrees, for my zip code I had to bump the elevation to about 55 degrees and set the azimuth to about 183 degrees per the setup.

NOTE - IF you have the older Dish 500 "Quad" LNB with the built in switch you will have to get a different 110 LNB.

I had an old Dish 1000 receiver and the new Directv receiver is about half the size and has many more features. I feel that I am getting a much better picture. As for service, time will tell.

Lastly, read your documentation... with Directv you don't own the receiver after your contract is fulfilled.

[chasfm11]

oemtech said <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Lastly, read your documentation... with Directv you don't own the receiver after your contract is fulfilled. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm a bit confused, too. I've been a DirecTV customer for more than 6 years. When I initially signed up, I went to an electronics store and "purchased" a package with two receivers. Later, I "bought" another receiver with some special features that I still use today. One of the original receivers has been sitting in my closet, unused and not currently registered to my DirecTV account. I've been under the impression that I owned the receivers. At one point, I thought one of them was bad (turned out to be a bad coax cable)and was told that I would have to pay to have it fixed or replace it when I called DirecTV for troubleshooting help.

This is no big deal but more curiosity on my part about receiver ownership. I don't plan to switch to Dish and I'll NEVER hook up to cable. Time Warner just took over the
Comcast franchise in our area and it continuing the same stupid "refuse to repair" policies that caused me to go to DirecTV in the first place.

[LindaH]

CHASFM11, I think whether or not you own your receivers "depends" on the circumstances of your "purchase."

If, like you, you actually went somewhere and paid money to buy the receivers, then I'm sure that you own them. However, if -- like us -- you got your receivers for free just for signing up for a year's contract, you're leasing the receivers and don't actually own them.

I'm sure someone will correct me if my understanding of this matter is in error.

[Oemtech]

elh3856 is spot on... Me I have paid zip, zero, nada so Driectv owns the receiver. IE - I am leasing it.

[depchief]

As I follow this discussion I am confused about an item that appeard concerning keeping a converter unit plugged into a phone line. Is this correct or did I not understand. I see no reason to keep connected to a phone line, what does it do?
My plan is to have either Direct or Dish installed in the house after the first of the year, then install a dish on the roof of the Brave. Winnie ran wire and left a decal on the roof with instructions how to drill etc.

Hopefully some help on selecting the provider and the type of dish for the roof, or portable. Not interested in using while moving or automatic locating.

If you think this should be another thread please move it

[RustyJC]

We have three DirecTV receivers, 2 at home and 1 in the RV. The RV receiver has never been connected to a phone line, and DirecTV is aware that it's installed in an RV. I pay full rate for one of the home receivers, while the 2nd home receiver and the RV receiver are charged as mirrored receivers at $4.95/month.

The only thing I can't do with the RV receiver is to order pay-for-view programs on line since DirecTV cannot query the RV receiver to obtain the purchases via the phone line.

Rusty

[LindaH]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RustyJC:
The only thing I can't do with the RV receiver is to order pay-for-view programs on line since DirecTV cannot query the RV receiver to obtain the purchases via the phone line. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rusty, I don't understand this comment. If you order PPV online, you don't need to have your receiver hooked up to a phone line...the billing goes directly to your account when you make the order (you have to log in to your account at DirecTV's website before making the order) -- at least that's the way it worked with Dish Network, and I can't see where DirecTV would be any different.

[SacsTC]

This seems to be a discussion of how to use the English language. I think that RustyJC meant online to be through the phone line.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> order pay-for-view programs on line since DirecTV cannot query the RV receiver to obtain the purchases via the phone line. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Also, most people don't understand the difference between "mirrored service" vs "DNS (distant network service".
In order to receive the DNS service, you must sign the RV Waiver and also pay an additional fee.

[RustyJC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SacsTC:
I think that RustyJC meant online to be through the phone line. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's correct. I was referring to ordering through the receiver.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SacsTC:
Also, most people don't understand the difference between "mirrored service" vs "DNS (distant network service".
In order to receive the DNS service, you must sign the RV Waiver and also pay an additional fee. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
My post didn't address the DNS issue. It was responsive to depchief's post immediately preceeding it that questioned the requirement to have the receiver plugged into a phone line.

Rusty

[MonacoMama]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">My post didn't address the DNS issue. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Understood RustyJC,

That was posted because the first two pages of this thread was concerning the DNS issue.

[LindaH]

Sorry for the confustion. When I see "online," I automatically think "Internet."

But, you CAN order online...i.e., via DirecTV's website. We did that several times when we were Dish Network customers, and plan to do it now that we're DirecTV customers (actually, it's the "only" way we'll order PPV since we'll never have our receiver hooked up to a phone line).

To order PPV online, go to this site. It will walk you through the process, and at some point, you will have to log in to your account, so if you haven't already registered at DirecTV's website, you'll want to do that first.