Hotspot not allowed?

[T12]

Any place that you park for money, makes their money by selling you things. A space, electricity, a place to dump your waste. Some have stores, some have showers. All of these things cost money. Even if the owner owns the property outright there is still taxes and permits. All internees, WANs, and LANs have address. 000.000.000.001 for example. The chances of your wifi matching the same address as theirs is possible but if you are diligent not likely. So the dance of two wifi clashing is not to good. At hotspot from the phone company works like your cell phone. If they don't know you make telephone calls your hotspot should be impossible to detect. There is a bit of a principal here. Movie theaters make money off of concessions. For really the same reason that they don't want you to bring your own snacks, a park can deny other forms of wifi.

[rkresge]

Originally Posted by T12

All internees, WANs, and LANs have address. 000.000.000.001 for example. The chances of your wifi matching the same address as theirs is possible but if you are diligent not likely. So the dance of two wifi clashing is not to good. At hotspot from the phone company works like your cell phone. If they don't know you make telephone calls your hotspot should be impossible to detect.

Unfortunately, IP addresses have nothing to do with the potential conflicts between campground WIFI systems and your hotspot/WIFI router, etc. The problem lies in sharing the radio frequency spectrum. There is only so much bandwidth, and the more devices are trying to use it, the more congested it gets. And as several of us have pointed out, it is extremely simple to detect and pinpoint a WIFI access point, or "master". Hotspots, wireless routers, wireless repeaters, access points - doesn't matter, they're all functionally the same.



Far as I'm concerned a campground that prohibits my WIFI doesn't get my business, but that has nothing to do with the fact that interference (usually as congestion) is very possible and very detectable. The rest is between you and the campground.


Roger

[T12]

Originally Posted by rkresge

Unfortunately, IP addresses have nothing to do with the potential conflicts between campground WIFI systems and your hotspot/WIFI router, etc. The problem lies in sharing the radio frequency spectrum. There is only so much bandwidth, and the more devices are trying to use it, the more congested it gets. And as several of us have pointed out, it is extremely simple to detect and pinpoint a WIFI access point, or "master". Hotspots, wireless routers, wireless repeaters, access points - doesn't matter, they're all functionally the same.



Far as I'm concerned a campground that prohibits my WIFI doesn't get my business, but that has nothing to do with the fact that interference (usually as congestion) is very possible and very detectable. The rest is between you and the campground.



Roger

I don't know where you got your info. I have a COMPTIA A+ certification. I have four routers in my house. Some of the things in my house flow through a 26 port switch. Actually if a campground forces people to only use their service they create their own congestion. For the same reason you can't park in front of my house with an antenna and get on my wan or get on the Internet through the router you won't interfere with other WANs in your area. The house next door has the same isp we do. But we don't have the same ip address so her
info goes to her router and ours comes to us. Go to any Walmart that has free wifi and you can get on theirs because they don't use a security pass phrase. Now if you have some illegal 50000 watt antenna you might cause interference with a lot of things. But your hotspot from Verizon for example broadcasts only to Verizon towers or ones they lease. This is what prevents you from getting signal from other cell phone services. I installed some antennas with a 7 mile broadcast ranges for a business. The only thing that kept other people from getting on their internet or wan was security. The DHCP server would assign their computer an IP address so they could get on. Trust me IP addresses have every thing to do with computer communications over a network. If you don't believe me go talk to your isp.

[rkresge]

Originally Posted by T12

I don't know where you got your info. I have a COMPTIA A+ certification.

Actually, in addition to having published several articles in trade magazines, co-authoring books on computer networking, and having Cisco training, plus Novell and Microsoft advanced networking certifications, I also taught CompTIA's A+ and Network+ courses for years. And oh by the way, I designed, installed and managed WIFI networks with hundreds of access points in each.

Your home experience has nothing to do with the technology and issues involved with an integrated, meshed, managed WIFI system. I stand by what I said, and I know more than a little about the subject.



Good luck.



Roger

[T12]

Originally Posted by rkresge

Actually, in addition to having published several articles in trade magazines, co-authoring books on computer networking, and having Cisco training, plus Novell and Microsoft advanced networking certifications, I also taught CompTIA's A+ and Network+ courses for years. And oh by the way, I designed, installed and managed WIFI networks with hundreds of access points in each.

Your home experience has nothing to do with the technology and issues involved with an integrated, meshed, managed WIFI system. I stand by what I said, and I know more than a little about the subject.



Good luck.



Roger

I knew I had a lot to say so I was trying to be brief. Here's the non readers digest version. My first computer was a VIC 20. Does that tell you how long I have been into computers? When I got into "real" computers, the first was at the time a 286/12 It had 2 meg (not gig) of ram and a twenty Meg hard drive. I have a degree Southwest Oklahoma State University in Business and Computer Science. I have a Digital Graphics Technology degree from OSU Okmulgee (Oklahoma's version of MIT. I had my Macintosh with System 7 talking with my IBM PC when the only real way to do that was with DAVE. Thank God for SAMBA.
Actually if I only had home experience you might have a little point. But I did mention that I installed an antenna (actually there were two antennas) with a seven mile range which should have clued you that I'm not an amateur. I have in addition to working for computer companies owned my own business building, repairing computers and building networks. Maybe you might ask what does a home owner need with 4 routers and a 26 port switch? My home from operates from a little box from Verizon which is in the same room just feet from of my routers. But the phone is on cell service (not a cell phone though) plays house well with my lan.
I was a little surprised with all your credentials that you think that a cell hotspot could actually interfere with a parks Internet. The park is more likely to have a cable or dso modem to support enough bandwidth for multiple user. I can't think of how mobile hotspot would interfere with those. Seems that I recall that government has some laws that regulate that through the FCC.

[T12]

Sorry the spell checker changed some things I put in. Isn't technology great?

[Spk64]

Let’s get this thread back on the topic of “Hotspots not Allowed”.

Site Staff

[rkresge]

Originally Posted by T12

I was a little surprised with all your credentials that you think that a cell hotspot could actually interfere with a parks Internet.

Gee, do you suppose that the cell hotspot might use WIFI on the local network? Which is why it absolutely can interfere with a campground WIFI system. My point is made. You made an excellent point about the business side if campground services. You should stick to that. BTW, my first computer was a Timex-Sinclair 1000. Now let's have the grace to let others discuss.

[picker]

Originally Posted by Spk64

Let’s get this thread back on the topic of “Hotspots not Allowed”.

Site Staff

...heh,heh....


It has degenerated into:


"My old man's tougher than yer old man"


I'll use my hot spot anywhere and everywhere I wish. If they whine, I will leave.


QED

[docj]

Originally Posted by picker

...heh,heh....


It has degenerated into:


"My old man's tougher than yer old man"

Actually, it is more like "my first [name your device] is older than your first [device]!"

Heck, my first computer required you to wrap a "boot tape" around a tape spindle and hope that the OS would load itself. Truly, "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps"!

[geordi]

Originally Posted by docj

Actually, it is more like "my first [name your device] is older than your first [device]!"

Heck, my first computer required you to wrap a "boot tape" around a tape spindle and hope that the OS would load itself. Truly, "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps"!

Funny, you don't look old enough to have held the jumper cables on the Univac....

The people complaining about wireless interference while referencing IP addresses as some sort of justification are just hilarious. There's SO MANY things that can affect wireless - but what data is actually being sent through the signal is not at all one of them.

[rodekyll]

Hmm. I laced univac breadboards. That was back when we walked inside the computer to fix it. The boards were in drawers. Lots of jumpers. Everything happened on 2000ft tape and punchcards. One day we got a Winchester drive. It was the size of a top loading washing machine.

[ladagobago]

Originally Posted by rodekyll

Hmm. I laced univac breadboards. That was back when we walked inside the computer to fix it. The boards were in drawers. Lots of jumpers. Everything happened on 2000ft tape and punchcards. One day we got a Winchester drive. It was the size of a top loading washing machine.

Well I just have to tell you --- way back in the days of huge animals I was the lead QC tech on the GE 645 GIOC which was about the size of a small kitchen. . This system was started back in 1965 in the MIT Tech Center but we never finished it until 1969 when we shipped it to Bell Labs and two guys, Thomson and Richy gave it an operating system called UNIX. At the same time the GECOS operating system was fully replaced by Multics in 1969 Dumb as GE president sold to Honeywell. The renamed the 2000 user machine the Honeywell 6070. Incidentally, I don't know anything about wifi or cell systems LOL

[garry1p]

Originally Posted by rodekyll

Hmm. I laced univac breadboards. That was back when we walked inside the computer to fix it. The boards were in drawers. Lots of jumpers. Everything happened on 2000ft tape and punchcards. One day we got a Winchester drive. It was the size of a top loading washing machine.

Lets see 5312 you swapped out the platters 63?? was a fixed disk.
Wonder if anyone else worked on a Potter tape drive back in the 60's.
1st system I worked on was vacuum tubes with a drum memory.