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Old 04-29-2014, 11:14 AM   #1
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JEFA Tech long range wi fi repeator?

Has anyone used this product? I've read the reviews and a post on IRV2 that touts this device as a very good product. I am not very technical minded but the installation seems straight forward. If you do use this or similar product that increases poor CG signals I would appreciate your input. One more question, how did you mount the external antenna, I'm thinking on the roof ladder? What hardware did you use for the mounting. Thanks.
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Has anyone used this product? I've read the reviews and a post on IRV2 that touts this device as a very good product. I am not very technical minded but the installation seems straight forward. If you do use this or similar product that increases poor CG signals I would appreciate your input. One more question, how did you mount the external antenna, I'm thinking on the roof ladder? What hardware did you use for the mounting. Thanks.
Clayobx..
As often it is a capacity issue as signal strength.. Especially at the busy hours.. I use my Verizon air card.. I know its pricey but much more often it works very well and the CG wireless is useless!
I don't download movies or such.. But do surf a lot.. IRV2 is amongst those I am on too much.. Just ask my DW!
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There are a number of similar competing devices made by several different companies. Since I work for one of them I'm not going to make any recommendations here. But if you're familiar with Jack Mayer's excellent website, he has a good analysis of three well known brands (but unfortunately, not the Jefatech): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...j2zbc-w1U/edit

Even though the Jefatech is not included in Jack's analysis you can probably get a good understanding of the issues by reading it. Unfortunately, no amplifier/router is going to turn a poor CG WiFi system into a good one.
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Thanks Joel. Very good point. If the system is poor and not a range problem, then no system is adequate? This area I am moving to on a permanent basis is new and may have updated wi fi ? I would be inclined to believe that my new pad is outside of line of sight and the Jefatech or similar system would beneficial. Thoughts? Thank you, I'll study the link.
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Thanks Joel. Very good point. If the system is poor and not a range problem, then no system is adequate? This area I am moving to on a permanent basis is new and may have updated wi fi ? I would be inclined to believe that my new pad is outside of line of sight and the Jefatech or similar system would beneficial. Thoughts? Thank you, I'll study the link.
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Don't jump to conclusions but if you're actually outside the line of sight then you're going to have issues and an amplifier may not help. WiFi is a line of sight system so if there are significant obstacles there can be problems. But don't over-think the problem until you try it. One thing that will help will be to mount an antenna on the roof of your rig so as to get the maximum line of sight range.

As for the fact that no amplifier can help if the underlying wifi system is poor or overloaded, that's a fact of life. The fact that you are moving to a newly developed area is good, but that doesn't guarantee that they are paying for a large enough "pipe" to the internet. The problem at most campgrounds is usually not connecting to the wifi access point; it's getting decent performance once you connect. If the system doesn't have the data capacity to support the users and their activities, then there's nothing you can do about it.

Let's take it one step at a time. I'll be happy to work with you as you make your move so you can evaluate what your needs really are. We offer full refunds on our hardware, so if you buy something and it doesn't provide a satisfactory solution, you'll be able to return it.

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Old 04-29-2014, 05:16 PM   #6
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This area I am moving to on a permanent basis is new and may have updated wi fi ? I would be inclined to believe that my new pad is outside of line of sight and the Jefatech or similar system would beneficial. Thoughts?
If you are setting up a permanent location you might consider using a directional antenna instead of the omni. It will help unless it is very close, and then it will not matter - either would work.

In general I do not recommend a 15dbi antenna. There are too many "gotchas" for this type of application....the 8dbi omni is ideal for most instances.

The JEFA works fine but handles JUST wifi capture. It does not integrate cellular as a backhaul. But if you just need to capture wifi and do not care about cellular then it should certainly be on your list.

The WiFiRanger Go2, with Mobile, will be a more capable product in most cases. It is more flexible in that it handles multiple backhauls - cellular and wifi. It does have less of an antenna, but the included antenna is suitable for "within the Park" use. It does cost more.
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i have one mounted on my batwing so when I crank it up, the Jefa antenna is above the TV antenna. It's just another tool for camping IMO but works good. The company is fantastic. I couldn't get mine off the mount to change my batwing (nut frozen) so they just sent me a new antenna free, years later.
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I have used a unit from Hawking Technologies for a few years. Easy to setup via 12' flagpole mounted to a Flag Pole Buddy attached to rear ladder. Effective if there is a some signal and a backhaul that is usable. Else I use a 4G hotspot device.

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Clayobx I have found that in CGs where I don't get good Wi-Fi it is one of two problems, the signal strength is poor. or the signal is good but the bandwidth is too small and overcrowded, so usage is comprimised. If the signal is poor that may help you out. If it's a band width issue it won't help. I've just learned to be patient. Not!!
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Old 04-30-2014, 10:37 AM   #10
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Thanks for everyone's input. Being the NON technical person I am, this is somewhat confusing as DW and I didn't even recognize the term "back haul". Here's the situation in laymen's terms. Joel your correct in stating the resort most likely is not paying enough for the pipeline to the internet. Pebble brought up the fact while we were at Willow Lakes, our newly purchased spot, that they recommended NOT to overload the system with lengthy down loads or excessive streaming of video's. This was the height of snowbird season and I'm guessing over two hundred coaches as well as homes and park models. We could receive a weak signal, two bars, and as you pointed out the speed was "snail like". I assumed the need to increase signal strength, which I probably need. During off season the speed most likely should increase? However, it appears I need to Also increase or "slice and dice" the band width? I studied the SOHO system as well as the Hawking system. Which is better, why? How about mounting hardware and easy installation? We will not be building our small home until our beach home sells here in Mexico Beach so most likely we will be living full time at the resort in our coach then transferring to the house and would also like the system to be easily transferable to the coach when traveling the summer months. Jack, why the 8 dbi vs. 15? It appears the signal it confined to the clubhouse and not multiple locations. Again thanks for your patience and your input.

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It is never simple. Any choice involves some compromises.

Backhaul simply is a generic term for how your device connects to the Internet. Backhaul could be a cellular modem, a DSL modem, a cable modem, etc. So for most RVers backhaul can be a wifi access point (like in an RV park) or a cellular modem (a router/modem like a Jetpack, a router with an aircard plugged into it, etc). It is the method used to connect to the Internet.

In your case you asked which would be better for JUST connecting to a wifi hotspot: the SOHO or the Hawking. The Hawking would be better. Why? Several reasons: 1) it would be mounted outside and higher 2) it has dual radios so it can send/receive simultaneously 3) it is directional, which works for you because it will be in a fixed location at your RV park.

(side note on the Hawking: I have not tested it, but if it works as described then it will be better)

The key to any improvement is (in order): Better line of site, Better power (that implies stronger radios and better antennas). Better LOS (line of site) generally gives you the best improvement in an RV park situation. Generally more power is not needed if you can get up high. Since you have two "bars" now, you likely do not need much additional power, if any. You need to get better LOS.

Given the choices between the two I'd for sure go with the Hawking. But be aware that if you want Ethernet connections you will have to install a separate switch to get them. But if all your devices are wireless this is not necessary.

Just remember, this is wifi hotspot capture ONLY. It will not allow you to use a cellular modem/aircard for Internet access. It also will not improve the park wifi if it is overloaded.Which it likely is during peak times. Consider your recourse if the park wifi is terrible and essentially not useful....how important is Internet access to you? Are you considering a cellular method of Internet access through a smartphone or a Jetpack/modem device? If you are, then you might consider a more flexible solution like the WiFiRanger.
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I assumed the need to increase signal strength, which I probably need. During off season the speed most likely should increase?
Clay:

Increasing signal strength only increases speed in those cases where you are right on the margin and the weak signal is causing data packets to have to be re-transmitted. Typically, this is the exception not the rule.

Digital systems don't degrade with weak signals the way the analog ones of our past did. Pretty much a digital signal is either enough to connect with or its not. The gray area between enough and not enough is small. People get too hung up looking at the bars on their cell phones and don't realize that above a certain threshold signal strength it doesn't really matter.

The park WiFi slows down because lots of people are sharing a "pipe" with a fixed data flow, just like with a water line. If too many people drink from it no one's thirst is satisfied. In the off-season things will probably dramatically improve, although the young families that may be there in the off-season may have higher data needs than the snowbirds even though there may be fewer of them. That happens in the park we winter in.

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There is an option that had not been discussed that may be viable to you as you are considering this as your permanent/almost permanent home. Check with the local cable company (phone company) to see if they can provide you wired service to your rv. Don't know if it is an option but if it is you would be freed from the restrictions of the community internet.

One thing that I must add to this discussion and this is for the people that are not necessarily tech savvy. There are two communication components to achieve internet access. The first is your local connection which may be wired or wireless. The wireless component is most often referred to as WiFi. This local access is accomplished through a local switch or access point. These signals are combined in a device known as a router (in many home systems all these functions are combined in one device). The second component is the connection between your home (local, which could be the resort's system) internat AND the internet ( http://www.ask.com/question/internet-vs-intranet). That connection manages all the client requests for internet access and as you can imagine it is often very busy. This connection is often called "backhaul" and is often priced based on capacity (where capacity may be limited by infrastructure, cable, dsl, satellite, fiber, etc).

Someone using a MiFi device or tethering a phone is doing both functions in a single device.

Bottom line is just because a resort advertises WiFi that is, technically, not equivalent to internet access.
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Again thank you all. Hopefully this will be the last or one of the last questions. 1. This resort is a deeded community of 55 + so no kids or the need for gaming. In the off season my speed should increase due to lack of use by many. The wi fi is free to owners. Thus my desire to eliminate the cost of Brighthouse DSL charges. Looking not only to downsize the home but downsize cash out. We are retiring for good. 2. We have Verizon hotspots on our I Phones the service has been very good on the east coast of US. I know we will have to have them traveling for the apps. Needed. 3. The cable service is provided at the resort, no charge vs. What were paying Mediacom now. That's a savings. So in summary we are trying to eliminate the DSL charge thru cable, hoping to increase speed with the resorts wi fi no fee. Looks like increasing the signal strength may somewhat increase the speed in the off season? So my question of easy mobility while traveling and using in the to be built home? Is it JEFTA, Hawking multiple antenna device, SOHO or Wi Fi Ranger the best. Remembering all my devices are wireless and ease of mounting to the MH as the house will be a piece of cake simply as I can build a pole mount within reason attached to the home.

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