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Old 09-18-2022, 09:14 PM   #1
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New Laptop

Looking for a new laptop and I am seeing that some brands have the SSID drive soldered to the motherboard. This doesn't make me feel good as I do see a lot of solid state drives going kaput with very short hours on them.


I would really like a machine that had a regular HD plus the solid state but haven't found one of those either.


Anyone know which brands have a replaceable SSID drive? Any recommendations about a specific machine?
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Having purchased a laptop with the SSID in may and having had no issues , so far . I'd be more concerned about any laptop running Windows 11 .

The number of system changes from 10 make 11 a nightmare to learn .

After the first week I was ready to take it back and demand 11 be wiped out and 10 installed , and I've only calmed down slightly since then .

Worried and can't find a unit with both drives , pick up a stand alone HD and run continuous back up to it .
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I don't know what you use the laptop for but my experience with HP was horrible. I purchased a relatively cheap HP with 8G of RAM. I was conned into purchasing the extended warranty for a pretty cheap price. Later I had to upgrade the RAM to 16G so to run Win11. Everything was OK and then the laptop started having non RAM related problems. Called warranty dept and was advised since I had upgraded RAM, warranty was void. So, to make a long story short, I threw that thing in the trash, after removing hard drive, and bought a cheap ASUS laptop. Runs great on Win11. I use external HD to backup. No more expensive brands....it breaks, throw it away.
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I feel the same way. Get a cheap one, use it as long as I can, then buy another when needed.


Since I retired I don't need office suites, my computer time is mostly internet browsing now. Got my first Chromebook a couple of months back, very happy with it. Got tired of the Microsoft upsell prompts. Happy travels!



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I don't know what you use the laptop for but my experience with HP was horrible. I purchased a relatively cheap HP with 8G of RAM. I was conned into purchasing the extended warranty for a pretty cheap price. Later I had to upgrade the RAM to 16G so to run Win11. Everything was OK and then the laptop started having non RAM related problems. Called warranty dept and was advised since I had upgraded RAM, warranty was void. So, to make a long story short, I threw that thing in the trash, after removing hard drive, and bought a cheap ASUS laptop. Runs great on Win11. I use external HD to backup. No more expensive brands....it breaks, throw it away.
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I would really like a machine that had a regular HD plus the solid state but haven't found one of those either.


Anyone know which brands have a replaceable SSID drive? Any recommendations about a specific machine?

Many laptops use the M.2 SSD format which makes the SSD easily replaceable. My current laptop has a 1 TB SSD.

I've been using SSD for >5 years and have never had one fail on me.

As for choice of laptop brand, I must say that the support I have received from Dell has been super. Dell products can cost a bit more than others but parts are easily replaceable when needed. Because I use my laptop for business, I pay for Dell's higher level support package and they will go to exceptional lengths to keep it running, even in case of accidental damage.
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Add for Dell parts being easy to replace, this is relative to the line I think.

I had a Dell Inspiron and to replace the hard drive in that machine you have to completely disassemble the entire thing, including removing keyboard, display, and Wi-Fi card...

In contrast, my Dell Latitude requires only the removal of a backplate to perform the same replacement. (I've done both).
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Add for Dell parts being easy to replace, this is relative to the line I think.
I meant that parts were readily available; I wasn't making a judgement as to how difficult they are to install.
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You will likely have a hard time finding that laptop now. I have a Dell Inspiron i7559 "3 or 4 years old now" which can use a M.2 and Sata SSD or 2.5 hard drive. Everything is going to the M.2 format because less space needed and faster performance.

You could look for an new Dell Inspiron 7000 series laptop from a couple of years ago, but not sure you would be able to find one new at this point.

Here is an example - but it was around 750 to 850 new back then.
https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Inspiron...et_feature_div

+1 - I would stay away from any laptop that soldered memory or drives to the motherboard. I started to use SSD back in 2012 and have not had one fail and normally updated them because of needing more space. Today's PCIe M.2 have close to the same failure rate as HD.

From Google -
How often do m 2 SSDs fail?
Looking at the annual failure rate for SSDs overall, it's similar to HDDs. In 2019, which was just a single quarter, AFR was 0.86%. In 2020, it was 0.78%.Mar 4, 2022


As for backup / hard drive failure - USB 5 tb external hard drive cost around 110 and should be able to keep several complete backup of the laptop in case something fails.
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Old 09-20-2022, 03:26 PM   #10
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H-P Pavilion Laptop

I bought an H-P Pavilion laptop from Costco (model # 15-cs3073cl) in October 2020. My standard procedure is to upgrade the RAM and storage immediately upon purchasing.

My laptop is used for a variety of astronomy, astronomical photography, and photography applications as well as MS Office and web surfing. I run a variety of photography applications such as:

Adobe Photoshop Lightroom
Adobe Photoshop CC
Corel Video Studio
Photomatix Pro

I download my dash cam, combine several videos into a single clip, and render them. Corel Video Studio utilizes all the cores, so rendering video is relatively quick.

In order to upgrade my laptop, I had to buy a set of tools for laptops. If you're not one who is willing to do your own upgrades, this is probably not the avenue I'd recommend.

I strive for at least 5 years life out of a laptop.
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You will likely have a hard time finding that laptop now. I have a Dell Inspiron i7559 "3 or 4 years old now" which can use a M.2 and Sata SSD or 2.5 hard drive. Everything is going to the M.2 format because less space needed and faster performance.
I agree that the Inspiron 7559 was a good unit, but my experience was that the hinges were weak and would break with normal usage.

In fact, I just gave away my 7559 which I've now replaced with a G15 5511 which is a "gamer" laptop with an 11th Gen Cored i7, 16 GB RAM, a 1 TB M.2 format SSD, an NVIDIA graphics card and a WiFi 6 card.

I realize this is overkill for the kind of use I normally put it to, but I enjoy not worrying how hard I push it, how many tabs I leave open, etc. It will never object!

It's worth noting that there are some real deals available at the Dell Outlet Store. Virtually all units are without issues (those that have problems are marked) and are actually "new" but can't be labeled as new because they've been in a customer's hands for a few days or weeks. If someone gave you one of these, it is nearly impossible to tell it from a "brand new" model of the same type. Prices vary, but are ~65-75% of the brand new price.
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My Lenovo X1 Yoga Gen 5 is 3-4 years old now I think and it is on 24/7 except when I am on the road. No issues, great machine.
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Since Mac no longer doing software updates to my wife's 2009 Mac Book I think we are going to by one of the new Mac M1 chips in a Mac Book Air for 999.99 and hopeful get another 10 or more years out of it. Seems that the M1 is faster than most of the Windows Machines and lot less virus problems.
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I don't know what you use the laptop for but my experience with HP was horrible. I purchased a relatively cheap HP with 8G of RAM. I was conned into purchasing the extended warranty for a pretty cheap price. Later I had to upgrade the RAM to 16G so to run Win11. Everything was OK and then the laptop started having non RAM related problems. Called warranty dept and was advised since I had upgraded RAM, warranty was void. So, to make a long story short, I threw that thing in the trash, after removing hard drive, and bought a cheap ASUS laptop. Runs great on Win11. I use external HD to backup. No more expensive brands....it breaks, throw it away.
"Called warranty dept and was advised since I had upgraded RAM, warranty was void"

This is VERY ILLEGAL. It is a violation of the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act, which specifically states you CAN perform upgrades and even repairs and the warranty CAN NOT be denied unless the upgrade/repair you did CAUSED the problem/failure.

Next time a company tries to deny a warranty like this, I suggest telling the help desk they are in violation of the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act which is a federal law and that they will be reported to the FTC.

They often backpedal quickly. The companies rely on the ignorance of the general public on this law.

FYI, those little stickers that say "Warranty Void if seal is broken" are illegal in the US too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magn...s_Warranty_Act
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