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bsshog40 · 12-08-2022, 08:17 PM

A little off topic but still rv related. We just finally bought a house a couple months ago. I just had a shop put in behind the house. I'm fixing to run a 6ga wire from my house to my new shop but I would like to come out of the house to a 50amp plug for our rv and then straight out to the shop from it. Do they make an outlet to go in and back out or would I need to pigtail inside the 50amp outlet box to go out to the shop? Thanks for any help!
Bobby

Mudfrog · 12-08-2022, 11:15 PM

They may make em but I've never come across a 50 amp receptacle set up to run in series.

You might can cram two wires (the in and out) under each terminal screw on the receptacle but I would pigtail (parallel) it to keep the circuit more reliable.

tmw188 · 12-09-2022, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mudfrog

They may make em but I've never come across a 50 amp receptacle set up to run in series.

You might can cram two wires (the in and out) under each terminal screw on the receptacle but I would pigtail (parallel) it to keep the circuit more reliable.

That’s a big NO!🤦🏻

sibe · 12-09-2022, 04:07 AM

Dont piggy back wires under a lug not made for that purpose, ESPECIALLY if the shop is down stream and will be the heavy load user..

I have robbed peter to pay pau l..poor saying ..but.. I monitor and control what I am using/doing .. as a temporary..etc..

In your case pick up a 4 breaker sub panel. OutDoor and 2 breakers,
https://www.amazon.com/Siemens-W0204...445140779&th=1

Feed that device,, from a 50 or 60 amp breaker in the house..

then drop A RV plug below it for RV hooked to one breaker and then take other breaker to shop with a feed,

Total feed source is only 50A but the both draw branches will each be protected .. You can still plugin RV and use power in shop.. Running AC in RV and a compressor in shop may load up the house feed fast but be wise in use of both at same time..

bsshog40 · 12-09-2022, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sibe

Dont piggy back wires under a lug not made for that purpose, ESPECIALLY if the shop is down stream and will be the heavy load user..

I have robbed peter to pay pau l..poor saying ..but.. I monitor and control what I am using/doing .. as a temporary..etc..

In your case pick up a 4 breaker sub panel. OutDoor and 2 breakers,
https://www.amazon.com/Siemens-W0204...445140779&th=1

Feed that device,, from a 50 or 60 amp breaker in the house..

then drop A RV plug below it for RV hooked to one breaker and then take other breaker to shop with a feed,

Total feed source is only 50A but the both draw branches will each be protected .. You can still plugin RV and use power in shop.. Running AC in RV and a compressor in shop may load up the house feed fast but be wise in use of both at same time..

This is why I asked. I knew there was a way to do it right. I forgot about a little sub-panel. Thank you!!!

Bigceasar · 12-09-2022, 07:54 AM

A standard RV pedestal built for loop feeds would be what you need. You can buy one online.

bigb56 · 12-09-2022, 08:02 AM

You can also run a separate set of wires to the RV recep, use a large enough conduit to run 2 circuits, terminate one set on the RV recep and continue on with the rest to the shop, then make your pigtails in the panel to the single breaker. It may be possible to twin up some of your existing circuits to make room for another 2 pole 50 but don't do this if you are not familiar with multi-wire branch circuit rules (If you have small gauge red and black wires you have multi wire branch circuits) or if your panel does not allow twins (see label diagram for twin positions or check bus for notched stabs)

Incidentally if you purchase a Midwest box (pictured below) for a 50 amp RV receptacle it will be plenty large enough for your pigtails, a standard 4" box will not.

Persistent · 12-09-2022, 08:04 AM

Sibe gives good advice. There is a difference between what will appear to work and what will work safely and effectively.

SailorSam · 12-09-2022, 08:09 AM

If I were bothering to put in electrical for my RV, I'd put in one of these. Available at Home Depot and probably other locations.
Specifically has lugs for in and out wiring.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-RV-Pa...32SS/203393689

bigb56 · 12-09-2022, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SailorSam

If I were bothering to put in electrical for my RV, I'd put in one of these. Available at Home Depot and probably other locations.
Specifically has lugs for in and out wiring.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-RV-Pa...32SS/203393689

Those do not provide for in and out wiring, there are only single conductor termination lugs inside intended for end of line termination. You can purchase pedestals designed for loop wiring but quite large and pricey.

largo1005 · 12-09-2022, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SailorSam

If I were bothering to put in electrical for my RV, I'd put in one of these. Available at Home Depot and probably other locations.
Specifically has lugs for in and out wiring.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-RV-Pa...32SS/203393689

Pricey, but the best solution and provides more available uses.

Mudfrog · 12-09-2022, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mudfrog

They may make em but I've never come across a 50 amp receptacle set up to run in series.

You might can cram two wires (the in and out) under each terminal screw on the receptacle but I would pigtail (parallel) it to keep the circuit more reliable.

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Originally Posted by tmw188

That’s a big NO!��

I should not have even mentioned the cramming of the wires under the receptacle terminals.

But is running parallel a big NO as well?

This is what I did when I ran my 30 amp circuit. It feeds first into the RV 30 amp box and then on out to the garage. From a 30 amp breaker in the main panel, I ran 6 gauge out to the box where I made my first connections (incoming, receptacle, out to garage). Did this with each, the hot, neutral, and ground. A sub panel in the garage houses two 15 amp breakers that feed two circuits in the garage. My research back in the day showed that this was an acceptable method.

Only lighting and a couple of 15 amp receptacles in the old garage,, I did not need 220.

bsshog40 · 12-09-2022, 09:56 AM

So I'm not wanting to run my 50amp outlet from my shop. I want to come out my main house breaker which has a 60amp breaker not being used. I need to go to a sub-panel and put in two 50amp breakers. One will tie into a 50amp rv outlet and the other continue to my shop panel.

Alpine36 · 12-09-2022, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bsshog40

So I'm not wanting to run my 50amp outlet from my shop. I want to come out my main house breaker which has a 60amp breaker not being used. I need to go to a sub-panel and put in two 50amp breakers. One will tie into a 50amp rv outlet and the other continue to my shop panel.

Sounds like a decent plan, but….at the end of the day why not just invest in a decent panel for the shop and run the 50a back out to the rv pedestal? You eliminate a breaker panel in series that way, and get 60a capability in your shop.