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denochs · 08-10-2013, 04:52 PM

Coming from the banking industry myself, yet not sure if they still do this, dealers that wanted to sell a car/boat/rv could offer a "dealer recourse" which amounts to the dealer guaranteeing the bank would be paid if the buyer defaulted. In this case the dealer would take the unity back and pay off the loan and sell it to recover what they could.

Usually, this was a standing agreement the bank & dealer had if they brought a lot of loans to the bank. And don't be fooled into thinking the banks and dealers do not work together the same way a sales manager and sales rep work a deal to get the most cash down or profit margin from a deal.

Don't take things some folks say to personally. Some get pretty insensitive at times because they don't know all the facts. I can certain understand if you have set down and carefully budgeted for a specific payment amount that would leave you enough to enjoy your new rv. And to some of us $200 can represent a lot of money to enjoy camping. Or, it can be the principle of the matter seeing that you felt you had a deal based on the numbers the dealer gave you.

Just my two cents worth.

Dave

UFO Pilot · 08-10-2013, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by denochs

Don't take things some folks say to personally. Some get pretty insensitive at times because they don't know all the facts. I can certain understand if you have set down and carefully budgeted for a specific payment amount that would leave you enough to enjoy your new rv. And to some of us $200 can represent a lot of money to enjoy camping. Or, it can be the principle of the matter seeing that you felt you had a deal based on the numbers the dealer gave you.

Just my two cents worth.

Dave

My feelings exactly.

hdossett · 08-10-2013, 05:03 PM

To the OP, looks like the ball is in your court. The way I see it, it's not the money, it's the principle, and the lack of communication on their part did not help. Looks to me like you have an "out" if you want to walk away.

Bought a car for my son years ago, got a cash price of $X "if I took it today." I said I don't spend that kind of money with out thinking it over and if the price is good today, it should be good tomorrow and walked out telling him I would let him know. I call the next day and said I would take it at that price and he agreed. Went to pick it up and he started adding on stuff like dealer prep and such, I stopped him and asked what that was for, he said oil changes clean up and such. I said that was done before I was given a price and I did not approve additional services. He said every one has to pay these charges, even him, and I told him no, I didn't have to and he could keep the car. He "talked to the sales manager" and rewrote the sale, moving numbers around with the bottom line equal to what I agreed to and I drove the car home.

Went back the next day to get the paper work and he totally ignored me when we passed going through the doors.

I always tell auto dealers that it's my money and if they want to sell me a car that I can buy just about anywhere about the same price, they have to play by my rules, that I don't care how many sick children they have in college! Not many times will they let you walk away!

Bottom line, it's your call.

H

Superslif · 08-10-2013, 05:57 PM

Personally I would take he deal if the extra $690 gets ya 2 years off the note, which I assume is or was 12 years...They tend to do 12 year loans for tt's and 15 notes for higher end 5ers....

Chances are you know you are not going to have the RV 10 or 12 years. Our 99 Coleman pup we had for 6 seasons, 2005 hybrid 7 season, 2013 hybrid 1-1/2 seasons so far...

Since you called the dealer and was told they would call ya back. I would call again and ask for who ever was in charge. Settle this " NOW ....

Joeymozzer · 08-10-2013, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hdossett

To the OP, looks like the ball is in your court. The way I see it, it's not the money, it's the principle, and the lack of communication on their part did not help. Looks to me like you have an "out" if you want to walk away.

Bought a car for my son years ago, got a cash price of $X "if I took it today." I said I don't spend that kind of money with out thinking it over and if the price is good today, it should be good tomorrow and walked out telling him I would let him know. I call the next day and said I would take it at that price and he agreed. Went to pick it up and he started adding on stuff like dealer prep and such, I stopped him and asked what that was for, he said oil changes clean up and such. I said that was done before I was given a price and I did not approve additional services. He said every one has to pay these charges, even him, and I told him no, I didn't have to and he could keep the car. He "talked to the sales manager" and rewrote the sale, moving numbers around with the bottom line equal to what I agreed to and I drove the car home.

Went back the next day to get the paper work and he totally ignored me when we passed going through the doors.

I always tell auto dealers that it's my money and if they want to sell me a car that I can buy just about anywhere about the same price, they have to play by my rules, that I don't care how many sick children they have in college! Not many times will they let you walk away!

Bottom line, it's your call.

H

Exactly, it's the principle over everything else. The one thing that really got me was when the finance guy said "I feel like I did all this work for nothing" when I said I no to giving more money. I replied "I didn't ask you to do that, if the numbers didn't change you wouldn't have had too, plus it's your job to do that isn't it?" He just paused.

Joeymozzer · 08-10-2013, 07:34 PM

Yes it was a 12 year, I waited all day today thinking they would be calling all day, but didn't get a call, I'll call Monday or Wednesday?

Superslif · 08-11-2013, 02:19 AM

I would call first thing Monday morning....Either talk to the salesman, finance guy or the dealership owner.....And not their voice mail....

What size dealer is it?

When we bought our 2013 tt in Feb of 2012 I had received a price from another dealer 2-1/2 hours away that was half of what my dealer wanted....Yes I said half...My dealer wanted $19.5k plus my 2005 tt. The out of town dealer wanted get this $9800 plus my 2005 tt. So to be fair to my dealer I called and said " I'll give you 24 hours to give me your "best and final offer". They called me back 7 times over the next day. They got down to $15.5k plus mine. Hence I drove the 2 hours to put down a deposit....

Joeymozzer · 08-11-2013, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Superslif

I would call first thing Monday morning....Either talk to the salesman, finance guy or the dealership owner.....And not their voice mail....

What size dealer is it?

When we bought our 2013 tt in Feb of 2012 I had received a price from another dealer 2-1/2 hours away that was half of what my dealer wanted....Yes I said half...My dealer wanted $19.5k plus my 2005 tt. The out of town dealer wanted get this $9800 plus my 2005 tt. So to be fair to my dealer I called and said " I'll give you 24 hours to give me your "best and final offer". They called me back 7 times over the next day. They got down to $15.5k plus mine. Hence I drove the 2 hours to put down a deposit....

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Superslif · 08-13-2013, 02:32 AM

Let us know if they ever contacted you...Either way they have your check....so either their going to have to "void" it out or make you happy.

mick · 08-13-2013, 07:45 AM

Ill make no comment on the OPs story. However, I am curious to know , if they wish to disclose, the interest charge being offered.

lemosley01 · 08-13-2013, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sagamore

Kathryn is very right. They knocked 24 months of the terms only wanting $690 more, they are not calling you back because they have told you everything that is needed to get this deal done. If you let this $690 keep you from getting what you want then you can't afford it. As for another post saying that you should arrange your own financing, we here at the car dealership almost always beat someone's own financing rates. We do more so we get money for less than you the individual can. I would have taken the deal. There's only so much the dealer can cut. He isn't a non profit organization.

People don't seem to get this. They go in with 'I know what I want and what I will pay and if the dealer doesn't give it to me, then they are trying to rip me off.'

620 is a marginal credit score. Sorry, if I were the bank I wouldn't give a house loan, let alone credit for a luxury item like a camper - not without enough down to insure that I'm not upside down on it if I have to repo it.

Dog Folks · 08-13-2013, 08:03 AM

Just good advice given to me by a very wealthy self made man: "When negotiating, he who cares less..... wins." He is right.

ltfishin · 08-13-2013, 12:26 PM

I though about buying MH 12yrs ago and made payments to myself, cash in hand buys things alot easier when was I was ready to buy. Plus no interest cost!

blang · 08-13-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramblin

I would threaten to walk. You'd be amazed the last minute concessions a dealer will make when you say 'Give me back my money, I don't want this deal'. I wouldn't under any circumstances give them any more money. They're already going to screw you on the financing.

On the other hand... your credit has already been pulled, perhaps more than once. This does not help your credit score, going forward. At this point, the only thing worse than the hit to your score would be if there is not a resulting trade line... which will make it look worse to anyone pulling it in the future. If you want the trailer and you think you got a good price, jump through the hoop the bank wants, thereby buying down the loan. By the way... as someone above suggested... talk directly with the lender, if possible.