California plans to ban small IC engines by Jan 2024

[Old-Biscuit]

Originally Posted by Bobby F

California currently buys about 30% of its electricity from out of state. If they boost the amount of electricity they require, the additional power will also come from out of state - they have no current plans for expansion of their own - and so the additional pollution will be generated out of state. The rest of the SW USA will be California's China, to which all that nasty production pollution will be outsourced.

AS a Control Operator for SCE in their power plants I just sit back and chuckle when I read CA banning/mandating ICE and pushing for Electric when they can NOT supply the current demand and have to rely on out-sourcing from other states

SCE has been 'importing' power since the 1970's

CA will end up going black like TX did few years ago and just like TX it will be of their own doing.
*TX shot themselves in the foot due to no interconnections
*CA will shoot themselves in the foot by the rediculous mandated increase in energy they do have have ability to provide

[Steve70-5]

I have not looked into this subject in great detail but the making of Lithium Batteries is not very green. No one talks about that.

[Winemaker2]

Simple solution...
All new yard storage sheds will have to have solar roofs with charging ports to charge all the battery powered equip stored inside.

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[radar]

Originally Posted by Winemaker2

Simple solution...
All new yard storage sheds will have to have solar roofs with charging ports to charge all the battery powered equip stored inside.

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It would work. 😊

[Arch Hoagland]

Originally Posted by Winemaker2

Simple solution...
All new yard storage sheds will have to have solar roofs with charging ports to charge all the battery powered equip stored inside.

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California has already done that...

"The California solar mandate is a building code that requires new construction homes to have a solar photovoltaic (PV) system as an electricity source. This code, which went into effect on January 1, 2020, applies to both single-family homes and multi-family homes that are up to three stories high."

[Solo_RV_Guy]

Originally Posted by Old-Biscuit

AS a Control Operator for SCE in their power plants I just sit back and chuckle when I read CA banning/mandating ICE and pushing for Electric when they can NOT supply the current demand and have to rely on out-sourcing from other states

SCE has been 'importing' power since the 1970's

CA will end up going black like TX did few years ago and just like TX it will be of their own doing.
*TX shot themselves in the foot due to no interconnections
*CA will shoot themselves in the foot by the rediculous mandated increase in energy they do have have ability to provide

From reading the rest of this thread... it looks like the new regulations will be for ICEs 19kW and smaller. A back up generation system with a larger engine, for direct DC charging on a low emission ICE (this new law also allows "zero emission" ICEs starting in 2028) to supplement other charging methods could be on the equipment trailer. The payback from a pollution standpoint is the difference between one relatively clean engine and a dozen very dirty engines. I'd hope that reason would prevail (but we're talking laws/regs/sausage making)...

Not all the electricity has to come from the grid.

[Old-Biscuit]

Originally Posted by Solo_RV_Guy

From reading the rest of this thread... it looks like the new regulations will be for ICEs 19kW and smaller. A back up generation system with a larger engine, for direct DC charging on a low emission ICE (this new law also allows "zero emission" ICEs starting in 2028) to supplement other charging methods could be on the equipment trailer. The payback from a pollution standpoint is the difference between one relatively clean engine and a dozen very dirty engines. I'd hope that reason would prevail (but we're talking laws/regs/sausage making)...

Not all the electricity has to come from the grid.

Not just this new proposal involved

All new passenger cars and trucks sold in the state by 2035 be zero-emissions vehicles.
*The Executive Board of the California Democratic Party recently adopted a resolution calling for the end to new ICE car sales across the state by 2030.

Medium- and heavy-duty vehicles get an extra decade to comply, but by 2045 these too must ditch internal combustion engines.

[move on]

"To cover the costs of a $150 monthly electric bill with a 2,000 square foot roof in California, Tesla recommends a 6.14 kilowatt solar roof with one Powerwall battery. According to their website, this Tesla solar roof system would cost between $48,200 and $63,070."


So it looks like the solar option is far too expensive to become viable for operating a landscaper's battery powered tools.

[radar]

Originally Posted by move on

"To cover the costs of a $150 monthly electric bill with a 2,000 square foot roof in California, Tesla recommends a 6.14 kilowatt solar roof with one Powerwall battery. According to their website, this Tesla solar roof system would cost between $48,200 and $63,070."


So it looks like the solar option is far too expensive to become viable for operating a landscaper's battery powered tools.

Meh. Most of these companies around here have enclosed 20 to 24 foot trailers. A robust solar, AGM battery and inverter system on those trailers would cost around 7000 bucks. Power walls are a completely different application.

[Unplanned Tourist]

I have a very hard time understanding the thought process for all ICE's to be phased out, and electric power taking over.

The power grid is having a hard enough time now. Are new lines being built? What will dependably feed the new grids when they are built? Wind and sun are great when they are working, but we all know they are NOT 24/7.

BTW, one volcano can emit more pollution than all of California can in a year. And that's not talking about THE big one the scientists say is coming up under Yellowstone!

A little reading if anyone is interested..........

https://www.mydailyinformer.com/yell...r%200.00014%25.

[move on]

Originally Posted by radar

Meh. Most of these companies around here have enclosed 20 to 24 foot trailers. A robust solar, AGM battery and inverter system on those trailers would cost around 7000 bucks. Power walls are a completely different application.

I don't think a roof on a trailer will be able to keep a trailer full of battery powered equipment charge up and ready to go for the morning route.



My guess is that a large part of the impetus for this new rule is not only to get rid of small ICEs but to get rid of small landscapers, as sad as that is. These landscapers are largely part of the shadow economy of illegal aliens who don't pay taxes. Get rid of them and they will have to find jobs with corporate landscapers who must be thrilled at the prospect of battery powered lawnmowers. In the end the costs will be passed down to the campground and then to you the RVer. Follow the money here and you get a whole new perspective on what's really going on. It has little to do with air pollution.

[radar]

Originally Posted by move on

I don't think a roof on a trailer will be able to keep a trailer full of battery powered equipment charge up and ready to go for the morning route.


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Yep, it can. A trailer full for a typical grounds maintenance company around here is typically one ride on mower, 3 push mowers, 4 trimmers, 4 blowers, and a few miscellaneous hedge trimmers. Typically all 40 to 56 volt stuff. So yep, no problem. Start with a healthy AGM battery bank charged up in the shop overnight. 2 to 3 kw solar on the roof. Solar is cheap. Back it up with a low emission propane generator “just in case” and you are good to go. It won’t work everywhere, but it will work in a lot of situations.

[Alan_Hepburn]

I don't think a roof on a trailer will be able to keep a trailer full of battery powered equipment charge up and ready to go for the morning route.

So, they are expecting the solar panels to recharge all the batteries overnight? I wonder how much solar energy is available from the moon on a cloudy night?

[radar]

Originally Posted by Alan_Hepburn

So, they are expecting the solar panels to recharge all the batteries overnight? I wonder how much solar energy is available from the moon on a cloudy night?

Nope. Read it again. Plug it in to the shop overnight. Start fresh in the morning. Solar is complimentary. This is already happening. It’s not cutting edge tech.