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09-17-2021, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by propchef
Honestly, I do see a lot of this and in fact, I'd say I see mostly the proverbial "happy camper." Little ways to personalize the experience, sharing great locations and campgrounds, ways to make our pets comfortable, waving to other RVers who have the same brand. These and other examples are all over this and other forums.
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My comment that you're referencing was about 'My RV'; not about locations, pets, etc. This post is about RV quality and prices.
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09-17-2021, 04:40 PM
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I need to complain. I am so tired of people complaining about people complaining that I had to post this complaint. Lol lol lol. I just want to be a happy camper and not a complainer.
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09-17-2021, 05:40 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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We've come a long way from sleeping in the backyard on the picnic table and benches, or folding cots if you were really rich. And Mom left the back-door unlocked in case it rained. Or you just plain got scared.
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09-17-2021, 06:11 PM
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Location: Hood Canal, Wa.
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A stimulus is required to make a change. A painful environment will eventually motivate the required change.
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09-17-2021, 07:09 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2021
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eddndee
A stimulus is required to make a change. A painful environment will eventually motivate the required change.
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Agreed. And that stimulus is the market. Changes are driven by consumer demand and the spoils usually go to the early adaptors and innovators. The 2022 models reflect some of that positive change.
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09-17-2021, 07:25 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2020
Posts: 667
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Quote:
Originally Posted by propchef
Agreed. And that stimulus is the market. Changes are driven by consumer demand and the spoils usually go to the early adaptors and innovators. The 2022 models reflect some of that positive change.
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I have not kept up with the 2022's - What's changing??
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09-20-2021, 08:17 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Ga
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith55
I have not kept up with the 2022's - What's changing??
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The fourth digit.
Sorry. Just had to though.
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09-20-2021, 08:30 AM
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Senior Member/RVM #90
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Columbus, MS
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith55
With all that is going on in the RV community (sky high prices, poor quality, camp ground prices, no spots, supply chain problems) a lot of us are getting frustrated.
Are the number of people that cant just deal with it and complain all day getting on your nerves?
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Not really, I'm a pretty laid-back guy!
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09-20-2021, 09:10 AM
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Ford Super Duty Owner
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Bryan, TX when not traveling.
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People just line up and keep buying the garbage they produce. If people would refuse to buy the junk and let it set on the dealer s lot and the manufacturers would have to stop production, they would get the message pretty soon that they need to do better.
Best thing that could happen to the RV industry is for Japan or South Korea come in and start building for the US market. That is what it took to get the American auto industry to build a better vehicle.
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09-20-2021, 03:00 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2021
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith55
I have not kept up with the 2022's - What's changing??
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More use of Adzel, more (and better) solar packages, upgrading of suspensions or at least offering it as an option, and something I'm personally VERY glad to see are the rectangular farmer's sinks in the kitchens. Even Airstream and Lance both have replaced the round sink they've used forever and have gone to the single, deep rectangular model that makes things SO much better. Now if they would only have the option to delete the microwave and the oven and redesign the burners...
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09-20-2021, 05:53 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 4,920
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TXiceman
People just line up and keep buying the garbage they produce. If people would refuse to buy the junk and let it set on the dealer s lot and the manufacturers would have to stop production, they would get the message pretty soon that they need to do better.
Best thing that could happen to the RV industry is for Japan or South Korea come in and start building for the US market. That is what it took to get the American auto industry to build a better vehicle.
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I agree. This is the "free market" at work, where what buyers spend their money on is far more important than what prospective buyers *say* they will spend their money for.
Some of us remember when a domestic automobile with 50k on the odometer was "high mileage". Japanese automaker imports to the USA showed Detroit what high mileage actually meant, with serious improvements to fit, finish, and quality control. USA consumers voted with their wallets.
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09-20-2021, 07:43 PM
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Member
Join Date: Apr 2021
Location: Minnesota
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We’ve been camping for over 30 years. Did the progression from tent to pop up to trailer and this year a new 5th wheel. I’m not a handyman kinda guy, but if something needs to be fixed I research and attempt to get it fixed. So far I’ve had a few problems and only one will require going back to the dealer. So, why complain? I knew what I was getting into before buying the new trailer. Researched it, read these forums and watched YouTube videos for countless hours. Problems come with the territory and should be no surprise. I think a lot of newbies have very little knowledge or awareness that an RV is work. It is not a cheap hobby. I approach it as an adventure. I have to say I’m pretty proud of myself for just digging in when a problem comes up and getting it fixed. I’ve built self confidence that I can do things I never imagined doing. No whining allowed😎
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09-21-2021, 01:30 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: North America somewhere
Posts: 30,903
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Quote:
Originally Posted by New2road
I think think the level of dissatisfaction has reached epic proportions across the entire population. People seem conditioned to complain about everything.
RVing used to be a way to escape that for a bit, now we have to work a bit harder to get off grid and tune out.
Be happy or not, your choice. Listen to others complain, my choice.
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Well stated!
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09-22-2021, 05:47 AM
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Location: Carlos, Texas
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people are complaining about people complaining, you may have a point
Are you complaining about someone complaining about complaining?
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