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Old 07-01-2022, 04:40 AM   #1
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Diesel tuner consequences

Private owners who bought a diesel engine "tuner" may be outside the reach of the EPA, however those who manufacture and sell them can be prosecuted.



Diesel Tuner Faces Year in Prison and $5.35 million fine for Defying EPA (yahoo.com)
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There's been a couple of these articles lately. Seems they're cracking down. The EPA may not come after you for one of these, but a couple of states will. In California they used to impound your car if they pulled it over and it had a modification. There used to be a form you could fill out at the DMV to turn in someone who had to much visible exhaust coming out of the pipe. A friend of mine got a letter for his Isuzu diesel one time. I think it said that if there were 3 complaints he would have to take it in to have it checked or they wouldn't renew his registration. Don't know what they do these days. Seems like an impossible thing to manage. In my state they just passed laws that the police can't pull you over for excessive exhaust or exhaust that's too loud. If they pull you over for something else they can still ticket you for it, but they can't pull you over just for it any more.
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Old 07-01-2022, 06:29 AM   #3
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About the only place you can get a tuner now is from a Caribbean Island, but I bet they're out there somewhere for sale. You're not going to find them advertised.
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Notwithstanding the possibility of being "caught" with a modified engine that spews excessive smoke and noise, consider those of use who also use the highways and appreciate clean air.
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When you have 100k dummies posting vids of rolling coal "sometimes in some poor Grannies car window", excessive speeds on public roads and burning tires off a pickup "that's not too hard with empty bed/brake torque". It attracts all the wrong attention. Ruins it for guy that wants and extra 15% like from Cummins re-flash uprate that must still pass regulations.
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When you have 100k dummies posting vids of rolling coal "sometimes in some poor Grannies car window", excessive speeds on public roads and burning tires off a pickup "that's not too hard with empty bed/brake torque". It attracts all the wrong attention. Ruins it for guy that wants and extra 15% like from Cummins re-flash uprate that must still pass regulations.
That reminded me of the annual diesel extravaganza held in Terre Haute, IN each fall.
The young guys in hotrodded diesel pickups really show their ignorance, with burn-outs, rolling coal all the time.
The Terre Haute police dept. sure makes the city a lot of money during the event. I've seen 1 police car have 4 pickups stopped at the same time after a days events.


BTW, if you are in Indiana or Illinois during the event it is well worth the time and money to watch the truck pulls, tractor pulls, and truck drag races. Then there are the rows of show trucks-all diesel.
They have(or did) an on-site dynomometer that can accept single rear axle DP motorhomes too.
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Hopefully the iron fist of the EPA has been broken by the recent Supreme Court ruling.
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Hopefully the iron fist of the EPA has been broken by the recent Supreme Court ruling.
We can only hope. I'm glad to see them get knocked down a few notches but there is more to do to bring them back under control.
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Hopefully the iron fist of the EPA has been broken by the recent Supreme Court ruling.
I was just going to post that same thing.....you beat me to it!
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Notwithstanding the possibility of being "caught" with a modified engine that spews excessive smoke and noise, consider those of use who also use the highways and appreciate clean air.
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Couldn't agree more Warrenjo. What is it with folks who break the law and then bitch when they caught. What's that saying, Do the crime, do the time.
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I agree that rolling coal is pretty stupid, but the early rollout of the DEF systems was full of bad design and always caused troubles. The manufacturers quit replacing defective emission after the warranty period ran out and the consumer was stuck with very high bills to make repairs to poorly designed systems. Adding insult to injury if you can't find a dealer to make the repair, the ECM will start cutting your speed down until you can barely crawl. I've had this happen and it wasn't any fun. I suspect the the newer DEF systems have been refined and probably don't cause as much trouble....hopefully. I think a diesel can be designed to emit minimal pollution and no smoke with more reliable components.
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Hopefully the iron fist of the EPA has been broken by the recent Supreme Court ruling.
The EPA has a clear Congressional mandate to flex their iron fist in the case of ICE emissions, so I don't think there's any relief there.

What they now can't do is come up with more missions on their own initiative.
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The EPA has a clear Congressional mandate to flex their iron fist in the case of ICE emissions, so I don't think there's any relief there.

What they now can't do is come up with more missions on their own initiative.
The supreme court decision stopped the EPA from regulating carbon dioxide emissions. They have no mandate for CO2.
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This discussion is about the tuner & EPA. Don't go dragging political commentary into the thread. You all know it's not allowed & it only baits for further comments which get more folks in trouble.
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