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Old 06-18-2004, 06:34 PM   #85
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Absolutely we carry a handgun in the trailer. Bullets in clip but not in the gun. Our first line of defense is a large black Lab, our second is our cell phone and if all fails- our gun. When we entered Canada we checked it with a broker at the border for a small fee and picked it up on the way back. I did write down serial #, etc. so I was sure I was getting the same gun back.
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Old 06-18-2004, 07:46 PM   #86
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Mr. Ed,

Concerning your post,

I've always been told that is absolutely true. Motorhomes & the living area of Commercial Trucks are considered the home area and should be treated just as someone would if they had a firearm inside their permanent home.

Count me as "yes" to the original question of this post, Benilli M1 Super 90 along with my Glock 36, which never leaves my side..or ankle as the case may be.

"Those who are willing to give up their liberties for security deserve neither"
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Old 09-03-2004, 04:35 PM   #87
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Yes, as a licensed CCW I always have my pistol with me while traveling. Feel much safer; wouldn't want it any other way
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Old 09-05-2004, 10:03 AM   #88
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Now that Bush signed HR 218 into Law, I now can carry it legally. I've always carried it even when it wasn't according to law, because I have always believed that it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

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Old 09-05-2004, 12:58 PM   #89
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I carry a shotgun, 12 ga, model known as a "Coachman"...I always have it in the motor home....

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Old 09-11-2004, 03:51 AM   #90
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No, I'm not that paranoid. And please spare me the "what if..." scenarios, you've been watching too much Fox news.
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Old 09-11-2004, 02:08 PM   #91
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One who is not "parinoid" surely does not need things like spare tires, auto liability ins., fire extinguishers etc, etc,. I got bought my first car in 1950 and being parinoid, I have carried auto ins. ever since and have not paid a liability claim yet, so that must prove I do not need auto ins. Being parinoid, I have carried a fire ext. in my rig for at least 30 years, and have not needed it, so I must be parinoid to go on carrying such things, because not having needed them for all those years is surely proof I never will need them.
Guess I should go toss the spare tire and the fire ext. and cancel my ins.

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Old 09-11-2004, 02:26 PM   #92
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On the other hand, having been a trial Judge for over thirty years and befor that a tial lawyer, I could not begin to tell you the number of cases I have run into where people were attacked for no reason and in how many of those the victims were subjected to terrible injury or death because they lacked the means to defend themself or their family.
Just one actual example; A yound family, Mother, Father and two children around age 10, pulled into the parking lot a county park in Southern Oregon to spend the afternoon along the Applegate river, when the driver of another car who thought he should have that parking spot got out of his car with a rifle and started shooting. The young family hid behind their car, but the guy walked over and continued shooting. All but one member of the family was shot and two died. That young father was not parinoid and did not have a means to even try to defend against the drug crazed shooter. Even if he had immediately dialed 911, the Sheriffs office was only about 30 miles away.
But then when I sentenced the guy to life in prison (at that time Oregon had no death penalty), that surely made it OK with the family.

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Old 09-13-2004, 09:17 AM   #93
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Fellow Rvers,
My coach does not have a spare tire, but it always has a handgun when we are on the road. Like the old ad used to say "Don't leave home without it!"
Would much rather try to explain a situation than try to recover from one !!! Only a true optimist would not carry some kind of protection.
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Old 09-13-2004, 01:32 PM   #94
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I finally had to comment on this thread.

Camping and self-defense
People have already made a big step in personal safety when they recognize that not everyone out there is a friend. There are people who prey upon other people no matter what the laws say. To know this is not being "Łparanoid"Ł.

The matter of personal security while camping should be on all of our minds. However, a great number of folk give it little or no thought. For the most part, these good people will drift through life without a lethal confrontation. A small number of the unaware will encounter a dangerous or deadly situation and become victims with their last thought in disbelief, "it can't be happening to me!"

People who accept the possibility of criminal attack and plan for it are ahead in the survival game. One must accept that the right of self-defense exists or simply don't be worried. If being a victim is unacceptable, then certain measures may be taken.

The first principal of personal defense is "awareness". Don't camp in places where the atmosphere is unsavory. Commercial campgrounds that cater to permanent residents often have an unsavory element that may be dangerous when drunk. Be aware of all people around you. Be concerned when someone watches you with inordinate interest. Don't leave stuff lying around unsecured as an invitation to thieves. Be careful about restrooms and showers, go with your children. Investigating nighttime noises should not be a matter of jumping headlong into trouble. A well-lighted campsite is recommended.

Another element of awareness is that a defensive firearm (or bear spray) isn't much good unless there is sufficient warning time to get it into readiness. Be alert to what is going on around you. If it looks as if a bad situation is developing, get the mind working on the situation and diminish the chance of bad decisions.

Know that it is tactically unsound to confront a thief when you have no means to win if things turn deadly. I had two personal acquaintances that were murdered because they tried to stop an armed robber from looting their campsite. They returned from a hike and accosted the thief who shot them both. He went to the nearest town to the use the credit cards taken from the bodies. The victims would have been better off to not approach the criminal and try to get a license plate numbers from nearby vehicles. No personal property is worth your life.

Having spent many years as a firearms instructor in the area of self-defense, I would admonish citizens who choose to have a firearm for self-defense that it is a complex responsibility. The owner is not guaranteed success by mere possession of a weapon. Just because you have a car, it doesn't mean you can win the Indianapolis race. One must train to be thoroughly familiar with the firearm so the mind is free to sort out the tactical problem.

The traveler should be familiar with the laws of the states in which the firearm is transported. The laws regarding the use of deadly force vary from state to state. Basically, one may never use deadly force in defense of property, and deadly force is acceptable only in a life-threatening situation. If it becomes necessary to use deadly force, and you are legally in the right, remember that you may be in for a serious court problem under civil law. Criminals like to sue folks who injure them while they attempt to attack citizens. So, absolutely avoid the problem if at all possible. Knowing when not to use a weapon is as important as recognizing when to use one.

The best firearm to deter large animal attacks is the 12 gauge shotgun with slugs. A short barrel (legal) is preferred for ease of handling and storage in an RV. If one is not in bear country, a shot load may be better for over penetration reasons. However, too small a shot size may not get enough penetration to cause the opponent to stop his action. A handgun should have a round of sufficient power to stop the fight (such as .45ACP). Adequate penetration is the key issue in wound ballistics. The question of where the bullet travels if it exits the bad guy should not be primary to saving your life or your family's lives. Studies by the International Wound Ballistics Assoc. show that frangible bullets are a not to be trusted in handgun ammo, "hollow points"Ł are not desirable. They seldom work as advertised, and if they do expand they tend to inhibit penetration to vital organs. A round that comes apart on ribs or heavy clothing wont stop the fight.

Chemical weapons can be a deterrent. If pepper spray is selected, it should be a bear spray in a large can. Small containers run out too quickly, and you don't have a second or third chance for contact. As double duty, spray it is certainly good to have in bear country. As with any weapon, it must be close at hand or on your belt or it is worthless. See the Counter Assault site:

One last remark, the individual is the only person responsible for his/her personal safety. One cannot depend upon the coincidental presence of the police or rangers. One cannot expect others to give their lives to protect you.

I don't intend to imply that camping or full-timing are especially risky activities. They are not.

The National Rifle Association published a travelers guide for firearms laws. The price is $12.95.
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Old 09-13-2004, 03:35 PM   #95
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Ron, your post is <span class="ev_code_RED">VERY WELL SAID</span>. Thanks!

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Old 09-13-2004, 04:20 PM   #96
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Criminals like to sue folks who injure them while they attempt to attack citizens

This should start another topic on stupid lawsuits.. But hey heres one

19 year old Carl Truman of Los Angeles won $74,000 and medical expenses when his neighbor ran over his hand with a Honda Accord. Mr.Truman apparently did not notice there was someone at the wheel of the car when he was trying to steal the hubcaps.

or another..

Terrence Dickson of Bristol Pennsylvania was leaving a house he had just finished robbing by way of the garage. He was not able to get the garage door to go up since the automatic door opener was malfunctioning. He could not re-enter the house because the door connecting the house and garage locked when he pulled it shut. The family was on vacation and Mr. Dickson found himself locked in the garage for 8 days. He subsisted on a case of Pepsi he found and a large bag of dry dog food. He sued the house owner's insurance claiming the situation caused him undue mental anguish. The Jury agreed to the tune of $500,000

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Old 09-13-2004, 09:53 PM   #97
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I will promise that I never leave home without my 357, nor will I ever go to bed without it being there beside me, no matter where I sleep. With that said, guess where it will be when I am on the road. Laws be dammed.

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I do carry "protection" but the best protection I have is a sign I made up:

"Forget the dog, beware of the wife"

Have never been bothered either!
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