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09-10-2010, 02:33 PM
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Location: Howell, New Jersey
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Originally Posted by RustyJC
For clarification, I have no problem with the zipper principle in theory. Having two lines of equal length alternating merges at the designated merge point would be fine - if that's how it actually worked in practice.
To cite an old homile - In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice; in practice, there is.
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I actully saw this work a few years ago on RT 80 in central Pa. However there were sign stating "continue 2 lanes until the merge" which made it clear what to do. Seems like everyone behaved and it worked. Then again it was Amish country!
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09-10-2010, 06:58 PM
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#86
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Moderator Emeritus
Ford Super Duty Owner
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Bryan, TX when not traveling.
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Problem is too many people do not understand haw the zipper works and refuse to alternate or they are too timid to make the merge. I really desist the ones that will not let the next one in. What difference will one vehicle length make at the end of the day?
Ken
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09-10-2010, 09:02 PM
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#87
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Kingston, Wa. USA
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I think the first comment at the bottom of the link I posted earler had the right idea. A picture is better than a thousand words.
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09-11-2010, 07:14 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Sioux Falls, South Dakota
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I like the morons that can't seen to stop behind the stop line. They race up to the intersection and stop nearly in it. I watch a truck take the front end of a car because he failed to stop behind the stop line. Second, tailgaters. I have a sign on my vehicle that reads. "If you can read this...then I can deploy your air bags at anytime I choose"
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09-12-2010, 08:06 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: CT
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Quote:
Originally Posted by R1Kirby
"If you can read this...then I can deploy your air bags at anytime I choose"
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09-12-2010, 08:03 PM
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#90
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Senior Member
Fleetwood Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: San Jose, Ca, USA
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So let me get this right - when my lane is ending and I want to merge left, rather than take advantage of a large opening real early I'm supposed to wait until the last moment and try to force myself into the heavier traffic flow?
Sorry - I'll continue to use my method - once it's clear that a merge is needed I look for a large opening in the lighter traffic ahead of the merge, rather than waiting 'til the last moment...
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09-12-2010, 08:14 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Litchfield Park, Arizona
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan_Hepburn
So let me get this right - when my lane is ending and I want to merge left, rather than take advantage of a large opening real early I'm supposed to wait until the last moment and try to force myself into the heavier traffic flow?
Sorry - I'll continue to use my method - once it's clear that a merge is needed I look for a large opening in the lighter traffic ahead of the merge, rather than waiting 'til the last moment...
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   Me too    I used to worry about anyone "unjustly" getting ahead of me until I turned 60 and started piloting 35,000 lbs. Now I just hope that some dummy doesn't hit me.
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09-12-2010, 10:05 PM
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#92
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Tiffin Owners Club
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Orange Beach, AL
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How about the old sign; "Back off or I'll flush."
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09-12-2010, 10:08 PM
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#93
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Community Administrator
Pond Piggies Club LA Gulf Coast Campers Outdoors RV Owners Club Entegra Owners Club Skyline Owners Group
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The zipper effect doesn't work when you're driving a combined 60ft long coach & toad. No one wants YOU in front of them.
Lori-
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09-12-2010, 10:56 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Socorro, NM (until ?)
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I dislike the tiny compact car that climbs to close to my rear bumper that I cannot see them. Coming out west David was in front in the skoolie towing the Jeep, next was me in the old decrepit Class C and Stacey was bringing up the rear in her jeep, towing the food cart. Now Stacey clung to my back bumper pretty well.. staying far enough back to allow me to see her and to allow her enough stopping room (the food cart was loaded to the max with "stuff" since we were moving). Cars would squeeze in between us. Only thing we could come up with was they thought they were "drafting" and saving fuel? It was either that or they were just moronic jerks.
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09-13-2010, 09:54 AM
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Senior Member
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None of you have solutions. You believe in the zipper effect? Not where I live on the I-5 system. If merge comes up, everyone rushes up to the last spot and its all over from then on. I use I-5 often in Portland, see lots of construction zones, and wreck zones, and they all do the same thing,. Everyone rushes up and traffic crawls to a slow crawl. Where is this zipper effect in operation in Northwest? Out of 7 days of traffic, I see it about every 7 days. Put up a merge sign and every one will ignore the sign until the end.
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09-13-2010, 11:33 AM
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#96
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Senior Member
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Head of the Lakes, Minnesota
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NLOVNIT
The zipper effect doesn't work when you're driving a combined 60ft long coach & toad. No one wants YOU in front of them.
Lori-
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Yup, that's the truth!
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09-13-2010, 11:36 AM
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Senior Member
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Head of the Lakes, Minnesota
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne MD
None of you have solutions. You believe in the zipper effect? Not where I live on the I-5 system. If merge comes up, everyone rushes up to the last spot and its all over from then on. I use I-5 often in Portland, see lots of construction zones, and wreck zones, and they all do the same thing,. Everyone rushes up and traffic crawls to a slow crawl. Where is this zipper effect in operation in Northwest? Out of 7 days of traffic, I see it about every 7 days. Put up a merge sign and every one will ignore the sign until the end.
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Having driven I-5 in Portland a few times at various times of the day, that's a true statement. Too bad they can't add lanes here and there to help the traffic flow.
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