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fleamarketer · 05-07-2008, 12:26 AM

Hi,
I come from the vintage section of this site.There most own RV's of those yrs because it isn't possible to afford $100,000 RV's.It isn't for a lack of love of RVing that those are restored.Some it is a fulltiming and a life style chosen.This shouldn't be a $100,000 club Sorry to be blunt,but I believe we ALL are brothers and sisters that enjoy Rving.And we all should be concerned with the direction the fuel and RV market is taking.To say we should be involed with Rving in the first place is not the treatment I have grown to know on this site.Does it effect the vintage RV owner??.You bet it does.And these vintage RV's are and will continue to be a labor of love.For me to be rebuilding mine for the use in a fleamarket operation to live in and have this happen is very close to tears.Are some bank rolled with loans????.Well I can't speak to that in general,but my is not.Just know anytime anyone thinks rving is only a $100,000 club,I'll be there to remind them it is a group for all kinds of people with all kinds of rigs who should be looking out for everyone.

Rant over.

Georgia Flash · 05-07-2008, 04:40 AM

I have never felt like this forum was a $100K club. There is just to many people on here that are plain old RVers of all types. It is hard to think that some of those people are takeing the effects of inflation so hard. I battle it every day and so do most folks. Bought at my limit and now have to plan harder to use it at the level I had planned to. Whats next?? I guess I will just not retire until I'm 100. HA!

RustyJC · 05-07-2008, 04:56 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fleamarketer:
Just know anytime anyone thinks rving is only a $100,000 club,I'll be there to remind them it is a group for all kinds of people with all kinds of rigs who should be looking out for everyone. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Since iRV2.com welcomes RVers who run the gamut of equipment from pop-ups (where many of us, including Sandy and I, started RVing) to bus conversions (read Marathon, etc. at $1 million plus) - and even a section for vintage RVs, I cannot understand why anyone would think that this forum promulgates the position that "RVing is a $100K club".

Rusty

RedneckExpress · 05-07-2008, 06:34 AM

I don't think anyone deliberately promulgates that this forum is a $100,000 club. However, to the casual observer that reads the signatures of most folks posting, the vast majority are owners of the bigger motorcoaches or higher end 5ths (MDT & HDT Tow operators).

If ya want a good example of how one could come to this belief, simply look at the break down of groups that make up the Owners Forum. Most are manufacturers of the bus conversion, $100k-$1m price range. Outside of Thor, whom I am familiar with their Toy Haulers, and Fleetwood, most to my best knowledge are predominiately exclusive to the mid and high end coaches.

I'm not trying to stir anything up here, but ya gotta step back and look at it from a casual observers perspective.

Heck, my entire setup cost what most of you bigger operators are socking away in fuel costs on longer trips

RustyJC · 05-07-2008, 06:43 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Joseph C. McKenzie:
I don't think anyone deliberately promulgates that this forum is a $100,000 club. However, to the casual observer that reads the signatures of most folks posting, the vast majority are owners of the bigger motorcoaches or higher end 5ths (MDT & HDT Tow operators). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
If someone feels that way, the solution is simple - make more posts!

Rusty

fleamarketer · 05-07-2008, 06:55 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aridon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tom N:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Georgia Flash:
Yes sir, yes sir! $4.16 a gallon only slows down those that want it to slow them down.?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Sorry but if a $1 increase in fuel stops people from Rving then they didn't belong in the hobby to begin with. Hate to be blunt but thats how it is."

I'm sick to death of the doom and gloom over gas. This is NOT a gas issue.

"Let me say it again for those in the cheap seats", ITS NOT A GAS ISSUE. If gasoline or diesel costs are an issue then this is not the hobby for you. Paying "100k" for a rig and in many cases much more, you shouldn't be worried about gas going up like it has.

Gas goes up a little bit and even though its probably less than $100 a month for most everyone people are up in arms, suddenly can't afford things and in general do nothing but complain about how the world is coming to an end.

Bottom line,"if you are in this hobby and can't afford it then get out of it." No reason people that pay close to 100k or in many cases much more should be complaining about fuel cost driving a rig that gets 7 MPG and depreciates at 5x the cost of your fuel bill.

If you aren't happy stop doing it."If you can't afford it, stop doing it."

<Not directed at the quoted poster but in general> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I put quote marks around what I found Rusty.The bottom line is for some it is where they live in their motor home and for sure NOT a hobby.

Just for those ref:most of the vintage RV'ers are not mortaged and a dollar increase is killer.

RustyJC · 05-07-2008, 07:03 AM

I would respectfully submit that one or two posts do not define the position held by the majority of members, the owners, administrators and the moderators of iRV2.com. The opinions expressed by these posters are just that - their own.

Rusty

fleamarketer · 05-07-2008, 07:32 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RustyJC:
I would respectfully submit that one or two posts do not define the position held by the majority of members, the owners, administrators and the moderators of iRV2.com. The opinions expressed by these posters are just that - their own.

Rusty </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And to that end Rusty,I thank you for your time.

Rainbow · 05-07-2008, 10:33 AM

I monitor cranky ape form time to time and also ebay,as well as several dealers. With all thats been said I don't see prices coming down on either new or used. When a motorhome does sell on cranky ape or ebay its at what seems to be to be retail. I don't see many bargins.

rosegramma · 05-07-2008, 12:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> </div></BLOCKQUOTE> As complied by Fleamarketer...
"Sorry but if a $1 increase in fuel stops people from Rving then they didn't belong in the hobby to begin with. Hate to be blunt but thats how it is."

"Let me say it again for those in the cheap seats", ITS NOT A GAS ISSUE. If gasoline or diesel costs are an issue then this is not the hobby for you. Paying "100k" for a rig and in many cases much more, you shouldn't be worried about gas going up like it has.

Gas goes up a little bit and even though its probably less than $100 a month for most everyone people are up in arms, suddenly can't afford things and in general do nothing but complain about how the world is coming to an end.

Bottom line,"if you are in this hobby and can't afford it then get out of it." No reason people that pay close to 100k or in many cases much more should be complaining about fuel cost driving a rig that gets 7 MPG and depreciates at 5x the cost of your fuel bill.

If you aren't happy stop doing it."If you can't afford it, stop doing it."

Fleamarketer, Thank you for voicing your opinion. I consider it to the point and quite worthy. We own a $100K rig (or at least we hope it is still worth that) and will continue to RV as long as we can, but are certainly trying to cut costs. I couldn't help but feel many of the comments you gathered together seemed very elitist to me as I read them. I wish I had taken the time to say so as I read them. I would like to believe that most folks here know that RVing is not always a hobby, but for some, a necessity. There are many struggling families on the road whose jobs take them to various locations, and I think the economy is a hard hit on them right now. For them, $100/mo increase (and when you consider the rise in food and everything else, it's more than $100 for most families) is a budget killer.

I think those types of comments were meant for us folks who chose to invest our discretionary funds into an expensive, depreciating toy and now seem to be whining over the increase in fuel and potential lowering in values of said toys. In that respect, some of those comments were appropriate. I plead guilty.

On the other hand, to those of you out there whose home is your RV, or the recent economic downturn is truly hurting you & your family, I offer my compassion and want you all to feel valued on this forum. It is true that there are many types of RVers, and each adds flavor to the stew.

So if I promise to count my blessings and not to whine, can we all be friends and party on, now?

Counting...567...1364..5639....,

Lois (& John) Miller
'02 Alpine 38FDDS
'01 Ranger 4x4 toad