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10-05-2022, 03:25 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Enjoying the Western States!
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Traveled 8 yr in a 2004 Newmar Dutch Star 40' Diesel
& 8 yr in a 33' Travel Supreme 5th wheel
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10-05-2022, 03:29 PM
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Senior Member
Winnebago Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Old-Biscuit
Drilling and producing wells are different animals
Many 'producing' wells get capped and do not go into supply chain
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True enough, but if you are not even drilling for oil, you have no new wells to cap. I have not heard alot about capping wells, but you couldnt blame the oil companies for capping wells when crude oil was selling for -$40.00 per barrel.
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2005 Winnebago Voyage 38J
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10-05-2022, 03:33 PM
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Join Date: May 2021
Location: Asheville, NC
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We are NOT energy dependent. We have more oil, hence gas/diesel, than we can use. And we have more LNG than anybody. Refiners can run low on finished product if they take facilities offline or mis-estimate demand. The US has been a net exporter of oil for over 10 years.
Here is what drives prices up: OPEC CUT production this week by 20%. That cuts worldwide supply which drives prices up if demand stays the same. It’s always been that way. What? Bur you said here in America, we have all the oil we need. That’s right, and we are also a capitalist nation. Under our system, Drillers and Refiners can sell their product anywhere they want. That means whatever the world market is willing to pay. US fuel providers can charge whatever they want. The only reason our fuel is not higher than it is, is because it costs producers less to deliver it inside the US. That somewhat reduces the sudden jolt of less supply that will first be felt in Europe. If you want to see what all other countries are paying, hop a flight to Hawaii. Their fuel prices reflect the cost of transporting the fuel. Same in Europe. If we didn’t have somewhat of a buffer here, pump prices could have jumped $1.00/gal overnight.
IMHO: The ONLY WAY to lower fuel prices in the US is to reduce demand. More efficient engines, renewable energy sources for the grid, you name it. This country is moving in that direction, but not fast enough that we won’t feel pain at the pump along the way.
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400w solar, 170AH LiFePo4, Xantrex XC2000, Victron 75/15 & 100/30, Champion 2500w df, 2Kwh powerstation
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10-05-2022, 05:04 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Looks like prices in AZ & NM are generally lower than we have in Colorado, and it was even higher when we were in Utah a couple weeks ago.
Perhaps distribution costs are higher in western states.
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2017 Tiffin Allegro Open Road 36LA, F53 chassis, V10
2020 Ford Escape Hybrid SE Sport AWD, RVibrake3, Blue Ox
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10-05-2022, 05:18 PM
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Member
Join Date: Sep 2022
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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In Calgary the gap between regular gasoline and diesel is about 1.35/l to 1.75/l depending on the day. The US gallon is 83% of an Imperial gallon and 4.5 litres is an imperial gallon, so do the math. Even though the US prices seem high, when we travel south, it is still cheaper than the Great White North....apparently so because we folks are too nice to bitch about it
When we drove back from Mesa last spring, it was pretty much $5/gallon all the way to the border. Whatever the reason, we need it and we buy it, or we stay home and bitch.....they got us coming and going, literally.
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10-05-2022, 05:20 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Pennsylvania
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We were at 4.06 at our TA in Binghamton, NY on Friday last week with the TSD discount, today it’s $4.50.
It’s going higher
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2022 Jeep Wrangler Sahara Unlimited
99 Storm 30H, 04 Southwind 32 VS, 07 Ellipse 40FD
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10-05-2022, 05:28 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Sep 2022
Posts: 25
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$4.15 in Lake Havasu AZ today
Friend told me $6.25 in san diego
Wonder if this will affect snowbird season here
It didn't stop the boaters all summer
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10-05-2022, 05:39 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 608
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This morning in North Phoenix…. $4.99 for 87 unleaded and $4.89 for diesel.
I thought a week ago it was about $.60-.70 cheaper.
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1998 Prevost Vogue XL 40' Riveted
500HP Detroit Diesel, side radiator, tag axle, IFS
We have RV'ed in ALL of the lower 48 and into Canada.
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10-05-2022, 06:11 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2022
Posts: 271
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We always get the shaft in ca
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10-05-2022, 06:16 PM
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Senior Member
Winnebago Owners Club
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,478
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$2.89 at multiple locations in Dallas/Ft. Worth right now, a few places a bit higher but generally under $3. Saw one location in Ft. Worth at $2.59 today.
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2018 Winnebago View 24D
2014 Tiffin Breeze 32BR, 2012 Winnebago Navion 24G, 2006 Winnebago View 23H
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10-05-2022, 07:20 PM
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Junior Member
Newmar Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 10
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Fuel Prices
We are exporting oil. Enough said.
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10-05-2022, 11:10 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 26,692
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Current pricing at stations in Los Angeles ......no need to ban gas vehicles, pricing will drive them out
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Dodge 3500 w/Tractor Motor
US NAVY---USS Decatur DDG-31
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10-05-2022, 11:18 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 557
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The line seems to be north of Marana (just outside Tucson). It goes from $3.29 to $5.19. Average in Phoenix looks to be $4.79.
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10-09-2022, 03:11 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Jun 2022
Posts: 10
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Well, you certainly don't want to come to Canada if you think your gas prices are high in the US. Here in British Columbia on Vancouver Island we're paying $2.25 a litter. That translates to close to $9.00 a gallon. Now our gallon is a bit bigger than yours but $9.00 bucks!!!!
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