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aether_one · 03-13-2020, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by redbaron73

His post is not in regard to the contract, nor pfj. It is a about good Sam and how they made a contract that did little for the RV community, and served to benefit the corporate good Sam more that anything. It is a bad faith contract on behalf of an organization that once existed to "serve" the RV community.

Yep, I remember when GS gained traction in the 60s and 70s. Many people joined just because of the stated purpose of the organization - to be a Good Sam and assist other RVers when they needed help along the road.

Edd505 · 03-13-2020, 07:49 PM

Pretty simple let GS do it's thing & quit using PFJ. Small fill today at Belin NM Loves 50 gallons & saved $34.16 with TSD. I was a Gas Buddy guy and would go to who had the best price, same as I do with the TSD/EFS card now. Nothings changed just a few less truck stops to choose from.

EarlyFords · 03-13-2020, 08:15 PM

I sent a message to Pilot/Flying J. Here is the reply:

Thank you for contacting us regarding this issue. It was recently brought to our attention that TSD Logistics was reselling fuel by offering their discounts outside of their company. We were unaware of this activity and did not agree to the resale of our fuel.

So, someone is blowing smoke...

EA37TS · 03-13-2020, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by EarlyFords

I sent a message to Pilot/Flying J. Here is the reply:

Thank you for contacting us regarding this issue. It was recently brought to our attention that TSD Logistics was reselling fuel by offering their discounts outside of their company. We were unaware of this activity and did not agree to the resale of our fuel.

So, someone is blowing smoke...

Sounds like it's not a Good Sam thing but rather a PFJ and TSD thing where TSD is acting outside of their agreement for fuel discounts. How soon before TSD discontinues the program for RVs.

geordi · 03-13-2020, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gillistd

Geordi, is the site for the TSD card secure?

Yes the application site is secure. You can tell this on ANY website by looking at the address bar in your browser, there will be either a closed padlock symbol OR if the full address is shown, it will start with "https" where the s is for secure.

The social security number is because TSD is effectively issuing us up to a 3-day line of credit (to allow for weekends with a holiday) and just in case someone decided to not pay, they have a means to collect. Otherwise they don't use it at all, and are NOT running anyone's credit for this.

The ONLY link between the card / transactions and your account is their processing of the transaction on their end each next business day. They are the only ones with the bank routing number, it is not electronically connected to the card in any way.

geordi · 03-13-2020, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by EA37TS

Sounds like it's not a Good Sam thing but rather a PFJ and TSD thing where TSD is acting outside of their agreement for fuel discounts. How soon before TSD discontinues the program for RVs.

That reply from PFJ proves that it is obfuscation to try and confuse the issue.

TSD isn't "reselling" the fuel any more than BadSam is. This program also has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TYPE OF VEHICLE THAT THE FUEL GOES IN.

There is no restriction on any fleet operator negotiating with a fuel chain for loyalty discounts based on the number of vehicles in the fleet and the potential monthly volume. Just because TSD has decided to increase the size of their "fleet" by creating this RV program, there is no issue with that outside of BadSam and BADSAM'S contract with PFJ.

The evidence has been posted in this very thread - I think it was around page 6 - that a former accountant from Camping World was hired by a member (who posted this in the thread!) and this accountant had direct knowledge of the deal that BadSam had with PFJ. The deal was effectively that BadSam negotiated the same kind of 40+ cent per gallon discount on fuel sold to RVers... BUT the RVer would only "see" an 8 cent reduction on the receipt. The other 32 cents per gallon would be collected by PFJ (seen on the receipt as the RV was paying for FUEL!!!) and instead that 32 cents would be taken from the RVer and forwarded to BadSam.

So for every 100 gallon fuel-up, Bad Sam was getting 30 dollars of the RVers money. It's not hard to see why and who would have a MAJOR issue with that large of a revenue stream being threatened by TSD.

The information around page 6 in this thread suggests that over the last few months since November, BadSam had indeed noticed a large drop in that revenue stream, and once they discovered the source (possibly due to an article on RVtravel.com as referenced here: https://www.rvtravel.com/diesel-938/ )... Once they were aware of it, they called on that "exclusivity" clause in their contract with PFJ to demand PFJ force TSD out of the discounts.

The bad guy here is the one that has been pocketing the RVers money right from the fuel island for decades without providing any benefits in return. They charge $30 a year for membership, and then charge $30 per fuel up too? Stuff that!

WatchMeRV · 03-13-2020, 11:13 PM

There's another option, Family Motor Coach Association (FMCA) has a fuel card named the TCS Fuel Card. Here is the link to their site --> https://www.fmca.com/index.php/rv-fuel-discounts.html

"The TCS Fuel Card is accepted nationwide and across Canada with great fuel discounts at more than 1,000 locations, including TA®, Petro Stopping Centers®, TA Express®, AMBEST, PWI, Road Ranger, Roady's, Sapp Bros and more."

Has anyone used this card?

richard5933 · 03-14-2020, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sbkahn

There's another option, Family Motor Coach Association (FMCA) has a fuel card named the TCS Fuel Card. Here is the link to their site --> https://www.fmca.com/index.php/rv-fuel-discounts.html

"The TCS Fuel Card is accepted nationwide and across Canada with great fuel discounts at more than 1,000 locations, including TA®, Petro Stopping Centers®, TA Express®, AMBEST, PWI, Road Ranger, Roady's, Sapp Bros and more."

Has anyone used this card?

I have the TCS card. Not nearly as easy to get, not nearly as convenient to put money on, and not nearly as good a discount. It is a pre-paid card and you've got to keep money on deposit with them to use the card, and putting money on the card is not easy.

All in all, the TSD card is better IMO. I do have the TCS card with a few hundred on deposit, mainly to serve as a backup payment card for fuel in a situation where my normal payment routes fail.

n2zon · 03-14-2020, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by gillistd

Geordi, is the site for the TSD card secure?

It's got an SSL certificate from Godaddy, so communication between your browser and their site should be encrypted. In most browsers, you can display the security information for a site. For example, iRV2.com's SSL certificate is from CloudFlare.

When last I checked, both were considered reliable Certificate Authorities.

Back-end server security is a whole different question. There's just no way to tell. But they are obligated by law to inform customers if they have a breach in most places.

boogiejack75 · 03-14-2020, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by gillistd

Geordi, is the site for the TSD card secure?

You apply, then they call you for the bank information and SS#.

All of this is on their website.

geordi · 03-14-2020, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by boogiejack75

You apply, then they call you for the bank information and SS#.

All of this is on their website.

I believe you can still do it that way - but it takes longer. The reason they were doing the callbacks before was that TSD did not have a secure web form set up at that time, and was working on it until recently.

Now the secure web page application is available, and you can put all the information on that page safely and the data will be encrypted when it is sent to them.

If you want, you are still able to request they call you instead, just put in "CALL ME" in that field on the form. But the web page is secure.

WatchMeRV · 03-14-2020, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by richard5933

I have the TCS card. Not nearly as easy to get, not nearly as convenient to put money on, and not nearly as good a discount. It is a pre-paid card and you've got to keep money on deposit with them to use the card, and putting money on the card is not easy.

All in all, the TSD card is better IMO. I do have the TCS card with a few hundred on deposit, mainly to serve as a backup payment card for fuel in a situation where my normal payment routes fail.

Thanks for the info richard5933, you saved me some time. I'll hold-off on applying for TCS and hope that TSD can still provide the benefits.

asuperheat · 03-14-2020, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by EarlyFords

I sent a message to Pilot/Flying J. Here is the reply:

Thank you for contacting us regarding this issue. It was recently brought to our attention that TSD Logistics was reselling fuel by offering their discounts outside of their company. We were unaware of this activity and did not agree to the resale of our fuel.

So, someone is blowing smoke...

It is just that, smoke. It is no different than what a owner/operator would be doing or what Goodsam does.

I don't mind just going across the street to Loves or T/A. Once Goodsam does less volume than TSD would they will likely change their minds. It's just business.

They made the decision to run with Goodsam either because they felt Goodsam would provide more business and they complained or there was something in the contract that forced the issue. They did not just do it because they felt it was being resold to us as stated. That is just turning away customers and would be a poor business decision for pilot. A percentage of something is more than 100 percent of nothing.

oatmeal · 03-14-2020, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by geordi

There is no restriction on any fleet operator negotiating with a fuel chain for loyalty discounts based on the number of vehicles in the fleet and the potential monthly volume. Just because TSD has decided to increase the size of their "fleet" by creating this RV program, there is no issue with that outside of BadSam and BADSAM'S contract with PFJ.

How do we know that? I have yet to see any statement from any of the truck stop companies that they approve of having their trucker discount passed on to RVers.

And you can say it's Good Sam pushing P/FJ to do this, but there's no proof of that, either. There's a conclusion that you're drawing, but no actual evidence of the actions P/FJ is alleged to have done.

And if it's as clear as you think, why would TSD encourage everybody not to complain to P/FJ and GS about it?

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Originally Posted by asuperheat

A percentage of something is more than 100 percent of nothing.

But it's not nothing, because not all RVers fueling at the major truck stops are getting the trucker discount (or the GS discount at P/FJ). They're paying the price on the sign, which we've all noticed is generally higher than other diesel in the vicinity.

Why shouldn't we believe that this is done on purpose, to have Rvers pay the inflated price for the convenience the truck stops offer?

If they wanted RVers to pay a lower amount, all they'd have to do is change the price on the sign, since they're pretty much the only people paying that price. Truckers would still have their price regardless of what's on the sign, and RVers would get the benefit of a lower posted price, and be lured to using that station because of it.