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03-04-2020, 11:18 AM
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#43
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Ditto Richard5933 post. (Thought I replied to the post)
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03-04-2020, 11:53 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2016
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Originally Posted by JSM180
I don't do fakebook so I can't read the statement from TSD. How does P/FJ know whether I am fueling an RV or 18 wheeler? I just checked the TSD app and the local prices at P/FJ are just a few cents higher than Loves, just like it was when I signed up.
I cancelled my GS P/FJ fuel card a while ago as I could find better prices using gasbuddy.
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I do have a Facebook account and I can't see the post either. It's a private group that must be joined.
If that group is an official company page I wonder why it's a private group. Most public business pages are viewable with or with out having a Facebook account.
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03-04-2020, 11:54 AM
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#45
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SW Georgia
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You can bet your Bippy that GS is getting a fee from PFJ when the GS discount is used. Lemonis is not doing ANYTHING for ANYONE if he does get a cut. As for contacting GS about this...dream on. Remember, a couple years ago, Lemonis's comment that he could care less about RV'er. All he wanted was their mailing addresses. How much did that hurt him. People are still joining and shopping with his organizations.
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03-04-2020, 12:22 PM
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#46
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 1,060
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I'll be stopping at Loves in Dillion, SC for my $2.05 diesel (before commission) and loving it.
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03-04-2020, 12:39 PM
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#47
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 1,354
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Quote:
Originally Posted by richard5933
If TSD was able to negotiate a large discount with Pilot/Flying J, then Good Sam should be also.
I'd like to see just what the arrangements are between GS and PFJ. My guess is that there is much more in play here than the 8 cent discount. There would be no reason for GS to have an exclusive contract unless they were getting something out of it.
If everyone with a TSD card calls GS and raises Cain, perhaps something will change. Choosing between the two discounts, there isn't much of a reason to maintain a GS membership unless they can do better.
GS may have an exclusive contract with PFJ, but not with us. We are all free to send back our cards to GS and let them know what we think.
Meanwhile, I will be buying fuel at Loves, and I will contact PFJ to let them know that their exclusive contract has cost them a customer. Won't mean much if it's just me, but it will if many other people do the same.
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EXACTLY. I strongly suspect that GS had negotiated a similar 40+ cent discount like what TSD had... BUT that GS was only choosing to "pass along" 8 cents of that discount to the customer. If I'm right about this (and yes it is just an educated guess at the moment) then effectively every RV that stops at PFJ to fuel is PAYING BAD SAM 30+ cents per gallon! That could easily mean that you are "paying them the value of your membership" just about every single time you fuel up. It would certainly explain why they wanted an "exclusive" contract, and the incentive to enforce it.
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Originally Posted by Dutchstar53
Not true. We used Good Sam Pilot/Flying Rewards card until TSD came along. It gave 8 cents off cash price. You don’t use a credit card because it is automatically billed monthly from the checking account you supply.
Here’s hoping Pilot/Flying J ups their discount with Good Sam to be more like the TSD they offered. Otherwise, we will be doing Love’s only from now on.
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See above - I suspect that GS was getting far more than just 8 cents.
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Originally Posted by Dutchstar53
Just emailed Marcus Lemonis explaining issue and telling him unless Good Sam negotiates a similar discount as TSD Logistics we will be using Love’s exclusively. Also told him to visit this forum to see the reactions from the RV’ing community.
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THANK YOU. As others have posted, Marcus Lemonis DOES NOT CARE ABOUT US as customers - only as a means to pad his bank accounts. This is not necessarily a bad thing, as it gives us a way to get his attention: Attack his money. When he thinks that he will make less money, he will likely want to address the issue.
Happy customers tell 1-2 people about their experience. Angry customers tend to tell 10-15. That's a BIG risk to his income stream. The more of us that let him know our feelings about this, the more attention he will want to spend on it.
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03-04-2020, 12:42 PM
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#48
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
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Location: Texas
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I just posted a comment on the pilot flying j website letting them know that because they canceled the TSD discount, I will no longer be using their fuel. I will be buying from loves, TA, or wherever TSD has a contract.
You can post your comments as well by going to this Link;
https://pilotflyingj.com/contact-us/
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03-04-2020, 12:49 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2016
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This fuel discount deal reminds me of the grocery green stamps or S&H back in the day
Similar to the Dish in the oatmeal
Why can't we just have a good price for all instead of the gimmicky deal with logistics ?
I can see loyalty discounts but the TSD thing seems more like Amway
Really watching this deal to see where it goes
I like to get a good price on fuel but sure don't plan on using a third part to do so
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03-04-2020, 12:54 PM
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#50
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Richardson, TX
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Taking decals, etc., of Good Sam off of the coach. I have had poor service from GS. And can find gear and other items on the net that beat GS prices. Membership is not of any value to me anymore. Most CG offer senior citizen and/or FMCA discounts anyway.
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03-04-2020, 12:57 PM
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#51
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Texas
Posts: 6,597
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lwmcguire
This fuel discount deal reminds me of the grocery green stamps or S&H back in the day
Similar to the Dish in the oatmeal
Why can't we just have a good price for all instead of the gimmicky deal with logistics ?
I can see loyalty discounts but the TSD thing seems more like Amway
Really watching this deal to see where it goes
I like to get a good price on fuel but sure don't plan on using a third part to do so
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I think this is *closer* to a rural coop. Be it for food, electricity, water, insurance, etc. The only difference here is TSD is a for-profit business. The clearly point out how they make money. There may be other ways they make money that are not clear, and that is their right as a private-for-profit business.
What they are doing is bundling groups of purchase to have a stronger purchase power.
This is not as bad as the VHA or other hospital coops, where a fee is paid to sell to the members. Instead, this is like group insurance. We are all traveling with purchase needs of 50-150 gallons at one time, good credit, with a corporate guarantee for payment (TSD). This allows the fuel stations to do what they like to do...sell fuel in bulk, with very low risk.
2.1% is saved off the top since no credit cards are used.
1-4% is saved due to the reduced risk factor
.01-1% is saved due to lack of advertising requirements.
So many factors involved, hard to see this as a risk for anyone involved.
The danger here is companies like GS trying to keep their % of our gas purchases. We need to reject that price model.
If you do not buy from GS or their companies, then they should never make a $0.01 off of any transaction you do. That $0.08 discount was always a joke...and TSD finally proved it.
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03-04-2020, 12:59 PM
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#52
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Winnebago Owners Club Ford Super Duty Owner Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Feb 2014
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"geordi" you are sharp, and I think you've hit the nail on the head.
On a personal preference note, I'm tickled that Loves is the go to place now. Before these programs were available to us they were always higher priced. Now it's different, and the best part is, their places are clean and way easier to get around with the coach. PFJs are becoming dumps in a lot of locations I've seen.
I let my GS membership lapse, I'm not sure if I'll renew for the same reasons mentioned by others.
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03-04-2020, 01:47 PM
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#53
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: SJ, CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JSM180
I don't do fakebook so I can't read the statement from TSD. How does P/FJ know whether I am fueling an RV or 18 wheeler? I just checked the TSD app and the local prices at P/FJ are just a few cents higher than Loves, just like it was when I signed up.
I cancelled my GS P/FJ fuel card a while ago as I could find better prices using gasbuddy.
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Don’t need Facebook. At the top of their website that lists Truck Stop Pricing sheets for the day. And Pilot has been removed.
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03-04-2020, 01:49 PM
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#54
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Senior Member
Fleetwood Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Lost
Posts: 639
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Good Sam Enterprises Inc., does in fact benefit from income derived from its member fuel purchases at PFJ. This revenue stream has been in decline for several months. The inception of the TSD RV fuel program was identified as one of several contributing factors. Declining membership was also cited.
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03-04-2020, 02:10 PM
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#55
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 412
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Quote:
Originally Posted by redbaron73
I just posted a comment on the pilot flying j website letting them know that because they canceled the TSD discount, I will no longer be using their fuel. I will be buying from loves, TA, or wherever TSD has a contract.
You can post your comments as well by going to this Link;
https://pilotflyingj.com/contact-us/
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Thanks for the link, i have let them know my displeasure. See what the response will be
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03-04-2020, 02:19 PM
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#56
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Member
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Woodbury, NJ, USA
Posts: 64
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Good Sam gets worse and worse...
I didn't read every post, but if not already said, I can tell you factually that the measly discount the purchasing consumer sees at Pilot/Flying J from having a Good Sam membership is only a fraction of the savings Good Sam negotiated with them. Good Sam pockets the MAJORITY as a revenue stream for steering business to Pilot/Flying J. I cam by this information several years ago when my company hired a bean counter that left the outdoors conglomerate.
There's really very little benefit out of membership as Camping World and Gander Mountain are overpriced compared to, well, just about everywhere. In our personal experience, the majority of campgrounds accepting the Good Sam discount aren't the best, or even the better choice. Though maybe that's changed with all the new parks they're advertising have been added. Then there is the amount of junk mail from Good Sam... HOLY COW!
Now, I can get behind that if there is a contract of exclusivity Pilot/Flying J being forced to honor it. They made the pledge, they have to honor it. However, fortunately for us, we the consumer can subsequently choose where we do business. This will mean continuing to pull away Good Sam's share. The outdoor conglomerate has become detached with regards to the customer base that supports it. There are no lessons learned it seems either by the past two decades with other major companies killed off due to the same detachment...
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