Is RVing in danger of going extinct?

[Dieselgem]

Long before any of this happens we will all be selling our beast. The mileage tax will substantially reduce the industry.

[radar]

Originally Posted by Dieselgem

Long before any of this happens we will all be selling our beast. The mileage tax will substantially reduce the industry.

There’s a mileage tax in the US?

[Dieselgem]

Not yet but it is in the infrastructure bill as suggested.

[radar]

Originally Posted by Dieselgem

Not yet but it is in the infrastructure bill as suggested.

How does it work. I’m not American so don’t pay attention to American politics (much).

[Dieselgem]

I am not sure. It has been talked about in the past. It seem like it is gaining some traction. The new bill does have suggestions, but I am not up on the details.

[TonyMac]

Originally Posted by Bat Dude

Unless the folks who believe climate change is a hoax and the politicians who are paid under the table by fossil fuel industries etc. change their ways we are ALL going extinct.


As a research science guy there is no question it is happening. The very frightening thing is we (the ultimate invasive species Homo sapiens) may already be beyond the tipping point.

Of course the climate is changing. All evidence points to that. But the climate has never been NOT changing, no debate about that either. But the science is so far from settled, the models used are pure junk. When corrected to forcast the past, the future predictions vary wildly. The real questions are:
1. How much of climate change is caused by man?
2. How much of it can man then control? and
3. Climate change sorta implies a point of reference where we want the climate to be, where is that and who gets to decide?

I am right now living at the bottom of a lake, about 300 feet below the surface, if you use the climate of 13,000 years ago as the reference. Do we want that? What climate is baseline and who gets to decide?

A great read is the book Unsettled. Get the perspective the climate freak-outs and carpetbaggers don't want you to know. BTW, what is the most prevalent and potent green house gas? Read the book to find out.

[richard5933]

Originally Posted by radar

How does it work. I’m not American so don’t pay attention to American politics (much).

One working thought is to replace the fuel tax with a mileage based tax, similar to what truck drivers do on commercial trucks. Long way from becoming a reality, and it seems that it's mainly focused on finding a way to tax EVs for their share of road wear since they don't pay fuel taxes.

[radar]

Originally Posted by richard5933

One working thought is to replace the fuel tax with a mileage based tax, similar to what truck drivers do on commercial trucks. Long way from becoming a reality, and it seems that it's mainly focused on finding a way to tax EVs for their share of road wear since they don't pay fuel taxes.

Thanks for the explanation.

[dallas121469]

Holy cow Batman!!! I didn't realize this would be such a popular discussion. I feel less alone knowing that others have thought about these issues. I wish I could read all 245 replies but my rig is having electrical issues that I need to fix.

[move on]

Originally Posted by Dieselgem

Not yet but it is in the infrastructure bill as suggested.

Let's wait and see what else is in the bill that's aimed at restricting travel.

[TonyMac]

Originally Posted by move on

Let's wait and see what else is in the bill that's aimed at restricting travel.

But don't you have to pass it to see what's in it?

[Gordon Dewald]

One thing I have pondered for a while is road taxes. All agree that electric at the moment is getting a free ride on road taxes but once there is a few more electric vehicles government is going to figure out a way to tax to maintain the roads.

I wonder how or if they are going to make the roads different. Currently most are surfaced with asphalt and some are concrete. Manufacture of cement is environmentally as bad or worse than extracting oil. So I figure oil will have continue to be extracted for the heavy bitumen to resurface the roadways so electric and the remaining ICE vehicles can travel.

What are they going to do with the light components of the petroleum? Surely not inject them into the ground. There may be some talk about recycling the existing asphalt but that requires the addition of new asphalt to rejuvenate the aged and oxidized old surface.

At todays production standards there is a shortage of asphalt cement, especially the higher penetrations. Its been a few years (actually a lot) but at that time the price of a ton of asphalt was close to $1000 a ton.

So the question is: Until we convert to flying cars are we going to continue to have to produce oil?

[ScopesNC]

Originally Posted by RetiredbutWorking

I've often wondered why the electrification of automobiles has not followed in the footsteps of the rail industry.

That is what the Chevy Volt does now. Once the charge from over night parking is depleted ( about 50 miles) it runs a small 3 cylinder engine to keep the batteries charged as you drive. That little engine gets about 450 miles on a tank of gas. It's only job is keep them batteries charged while your driving.
Same thing trains do on a much smaller scale.
To bad they did not further build and improve on it. They stopped production in 2019.

[PJStough]

Originally Posted by move on

Let's wait and see what else is in the bill that's aimed at restricting travel.

LOL Paying for roads is designed to restrict travel?