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Old 03-10-2021, 03:30 AM   #15
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Kiss Oregons lumber, fishing and tourism industry's goodbye.
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If the people of Oregon choose to live in poverty who are we to question them?
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Old 03-10-2021, 04:04 AM   #17
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I have no problem with this bill. I have a giant trip from Ohio to Alaska planned that starts by going south along the southern border states for winter months, then coming up through Utah & Idaho skipping the 3 left coast states all together. No need to hang with idiots...
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Old 03-10-2021, 07:21 AM   #18
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The people making the rules do not know that diesel engines are far more efficient than a gasoline engine.

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Old 03-10-2021, 07:41 AM   #19
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Looks like the cost of food is going way up. Glad I can avoid states like this. Most food retailers and vendors use diesel trucks. If you force them to go electric, natural gas, or some other fuel who do you think will pay? Diesel trucks can and do run two shifts in a day. Electric not. Natural gas can but the up front cost almost double the cost of ownership. Our cost to install natural gas fueling station was 1million dollars and the time to fill under normal pressure was 8 hours. We saw changing as a Hugh competitive disadvantage. We did not go forward. Good luck to them.

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Old 03-10-2021, 07:55 AM   #20
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Oregon continues to create reasons for people not to visit and spend money there. It's a good thing I can still remember a view of Crater Lake from a childhood visit 58 years ago.
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Old 03-10-2021, 08:02 AM   #21
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This bill has no co author and will go no where.
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Old 03-10-2021, 08:09 AM   #22
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Easy for me. Oregon, Washington, and California are definitely NOT on my bucket list, and won't ever be.
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Old 03-10-2021, 08:15 AM   #23
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Originally Posted by pogoil View Post
This bill has no co author and will go no where.
Precisely, happens all the time. Generally to get notoriety for some legislator so he/she can garner votes from specific groups. The legislator knows the bill will go nowhere but it looks good on his record for those folks. For those that have never had the "pleasure" researching legislation your heads would swim if you ever saw the large numbers of "crap" bills that get submitted that never even get to a committee.
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Old 03-10-2021, 09:45 AM   #24
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Major idiotic legislation currently proposed in Oregon

Starting January 1, 2024 you will no longer be able to buy diesel fuel in Clackamas, Washington or Multnomah County. By 2028 you will not be able to buy diesel fuel in the State of Oregon, unless it for off highway use.

I am not making this up. You ABSOLUTELY need to read the pending State of Oregon House Bill 3305. Introduced in the 81st Oregon Legislative Assembly, 2021 Regular Session.
I read it, but did you? The bill affects sales of "petroleum diesel" and defines petroleum diesel in a way that does not include all diesel.

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And it gets worse…..The Oregon Government Impact Statement, prepared by Cameron D. Miles, filed on 3/4/21 states “Notice of NO OPEN GOVERNMENT IMPACT"

What,…NO IMPACT! How are trucks going to deliver food to markets, or asphalt to pave roads, or lumber to build houses. You will have to park you diesel RV or head to Washington, Idaho or California for fuel.

Some people are really out of touch.
Apparently you're not familiar with what a "Notice of No Open Government Impact" is. It's not a statement on the impact of the bill on life as we know it. It has to do with the bill's effect on disclosure of public records (i.e., "open government"). In this case, the bill has no impact on open government provisions.

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Well, diesel is made out of a lot of stuff. Algae Bio Diesel. etc. Not saying that’s the case but they are specifically mentioning petroleum diesel. Which specifically excludes biodiesel.

No idea. But it will be interesting to see what develops.
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I agree. It states petroleum diesel will no longer be sold. Instead those counties will only sell bio-diesel. Now the kicker is, virtually all on-road sold today contains 2%/B2 bio-diesel to replace lost lubricity during the refining process that removes sulfur.

Read the entire bill folks.
The bill actually does define allowable biodiesel, and it doesn't include the 2% you refer to. Maybe you missed this part:

(B) “Petroleum diesel” does not include fuel that consists of a blend of petroleum diesel and biodiesel or other renewable diesel, as those terms are defined in ORS 646.905, where the biodiesel or other renewable diesel is at least 99 percent of the mixture by volume.
So...a bill has NOT been introduced to prohibit the sale of diesel in Oregon. There is no analysis of the bill that claims there would be no impact on trucks' ability to deliver food or asphalt or lumber, or that RVers will have to go to Washington, Idaho, or California for fuel.

And once you get the fact straight, there's still the very very very high probability that this bill will go nowhere, but that doesn't absolve people of their duty to know what they're talking about when it comes to what the bill actually says.

Read the bill, folks. And if you don't understand it, ask questions instead of assuming. It might help keep misinformation at bay.
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Old 03-10-2021, 10:07 AM   #25
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The bill ''prohibits petroleum diesel"
Diesel distilled from petroleum products
DIESEL in #1 and #2 DIESEL

The bill 'allows diesel' refined from other sources provided it contains 99% of that other source

That is NOT 5%, 10%, 20% BIO-Diesel it is 99% BIO

If that is NOT prohibiting the sale of DIESEL ????
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Going to have to look at what it does for off road diesel. Not sure my tractor likes vegetable oil.
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Old 03-10-2021, 10:34 AM   #27
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We will have to plow down the forests of Oregon so we have enough land on which to grow biofuels.
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Old 03-10-2021, 11:03 AM   #28
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I have a range of well over 800 miles. Oregon is big, but not that big. I could easily fuel before and after Oregon. I don’t like their law that says you can’t pump your own fuel anyway. I just wonder what their fire engines would run on? I don’t see his one making it passed committee.
If you were familiar with the law you would know that you are allowed to pump diesel, as well as gasoline for a motorcycle.
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