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TandW · 03-20-2010, 07:41 AM

If it's any consolation there is an extreme compression engine in the works that burns nothing but oxygen.

RustyJC · 03-20-2010, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TandW

If it's any consolation there is an extreme compression engine in the works that burns nothing but oxygen.

Ummmm....that's interesting. Since "burning" (i.e., combustion) is the rapid oxidation of a substance, what does the oxygen oxidize??

Rusty

TandW · 03-20-2010, 07:52 AM

O2 oxidises to O3. Have you never smelled that sweet ozone after an electrical storm. So you see, no fuel is needed.

TXiceman · 03-20-2010, 07:52 AM

I like many others have had my career tied to the energy industry. Unfortunately, the energy industry can no longer function with $20 or even $60 /barrel oil. Most of the easy sweet crude has been found and now we have to go deeper and in more difficult locations to get the oil. This means it cost more tot get the oil....which is passed to the consumer.

The answer is not in just one source of energy. We have to look at other sources as well as renewable sources such as wind, tidal, nuclear, bio-fuels.

The world is hungry for energy and we have to consider we all live on this blue ball called Earth. We all need to try and conserve fuel...even the RVers.

My 2 cents worth.

ken

RustyJC · 03-20-2010, 08:10 AM

The process of converting O2 to ozone is an ENDOTHERMIC reaction - it requires energy input to make the conversion. It does not generate energy output. In a thunderstorm, the energy is provided by the lightning bolt and resultant atmospheric "shock".

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Ozone is formed by the following reactions:
(A) O2 1 / 2 = O heat of the reaction A = 59.1 kcal
(B) O + O2 = O3 reaction heat B = -24.6 Kcal
(AB) 3 / 2 O2 = O3 thermal reaction AB = 34.5 Kcal
The overall reaction (AB), which requires energy and the production of ozone is an endothermic reaction that gets energy from the shock.

Ken is correct in saying that we need to utilize alternate energy sources as we can. Wind and tidal energy as well as biofuels are certainly such sources, but today they can only exist with government subsidies as they cost more to produce than existing sources of energy. As carbon-based energy prices rise, then alternate sources become more economically viable. Having said that, there's no way that these can replace carbon-based fuels in the short or even intermediate term.

Nuclear - now there's a conundrum for the "greenies". It produces no greenhouse gases and is a proven technology for generating electric power - for the first time in decades, we even see DOE actions promoting more nuclear generating capabilities in the United States. Because of the waste storage/disposal challenges, however, the environmental lobby is at loggerheads with the government on this one. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out.

Rusty

TandW · 03-20-2010, 08:22 AM

The spark or the lightning bolt are indirect observations of the free flow of electricity. A visible spark does not occur in a vacuum. The white hot streak that that is observed is due to the extremely violent conversion of O2 to O3, which produces an extreme increase in gas pressure.

RustyJC · 03-20-2010, 08:24 AM

Sounds like you really need to invest in this technology. Personally, I'll pass, thanks.

Rusty

cb5300 · 03-20-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by csp

They will then report record profits at the end of the year just like always and the same as the insurance companies.

Where are you hearing of "record profits" by the insurance companies? I'll grant you that oil companies are knocking down a pretty penny but I haven't seen that with the insurance companies.

Route 66 · 03-20-2010, 08:45 PM

This thread is about fuel prices, not health care.

Let's get back on topic, please.

TheDubs · 03-20-2010, 09:19 PM

I pay next to nothing to fill up my tank. I did a WVO conversion on my 6.2 diesel engine. If interested ask me about it.

Denway3299 · 03-21-2010, 05:21 AM

Ladies and Gentleman, After reading the posts and answers so far, I get the feeling higher prices for fuel will be here sooner rather than later. I want to thank you for sharing your knowledge in what we can expect to happen in the oil industry and how our government might react, both are scarry to me. My '01 Dodge diesel with 6 spd. and 4:10 gear has been very adequate in pulling my 36 foot Travel Supreme 5th wheel. Comments like above make me think I should convert to a 3:54 gear or a gear vendor or U.S gear system to lower my R.P.M. and therby using less fuel and saving some money. I travel primarily in Indiana, Ohio and Michigan and don't need to downshift excessivley from overdrive very often. I love my truck and camper and don't want to downsize and besides if fuel reaches $10.00/ gallon no one would want to buy my outfit anyway.

Please continue to sharing your knowledge with us. I for one am very impressed with your first hand knowledge of what's in store for the rv community.

DBOL · 03-21-2010, 06:24 AM

Close to political talk,but I for one don't find anything wrong having decussion's,as long as it's friendly.Thats our problem we dont know all the truth because "They"dont take time to find out what their voting on,nor do they care.
P.S.I worked middle class all my life,but could not live on 2%-6% as we think Corperations should?

Grey · 03-21-2010, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TandW

The spark or the lightning bolt are indirect observations of the free flow of electricity. A visible spark does not occur in a vacuum. The white hot streak that that is observed is due to the extremely violent conversion of O2 to O3, which produces an extreme increase in gas pressure.

Ground level O3 is a pollutant regulated by the EPA and would not be permitted.

Additionally the previous poster is correct this would not produce energy. I would suggest some basic engineering courses on the subject unless your just trying to be funny.